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#41 of 1193 word! by akasrp Jan 23, 2004 (4:38 pm)
that is exactly what attracts   s(tealthy)rp
#42 of 1193 XT by jjman Jan 23, 2004 (4:41 pm)
But if I wanted to cross shop the XT with another brand I would do so with Honda or toyota. I can't really see the Subaru brand being upscale just like Volkswagon is trying to be. In the end I think that will be the downfall for VW because despite the Phaeton being a good car in the real world nobody's looking for the vw logo on their luxury car not with so many other choices out there. Subaru should learn from that and either create a new brand or just stay out.
#43 of 1193 zman, Ripe for comparison to what? by vsroman Jan 23, 2004 (5:15 pm)
for comparison to the FX and X3. As it stands now, it's not in the same class. The FX and X3 are examples of "fine" rolling stock, the Forester is something that civic and corolla owners yearn for...yes I know it is fast but that doesn't make it "fine."
#44 of 1193 In other words... by rsholland Jan 23, 2004 (5:22 pm)
the XT lacks snob appeal, which is fine by me.   Bob
#45 of 1193 by p0926 Jan 23, 2004 (5:27 pm)
The X and XS are more likely to be cross-shopped with the CR-V and RAV4 as they are comparable both in price and performance. While the XT is only a couple of thousand more, it's light years away in the performance dept. In fact there's nothing in the mini-SUV category that's even within 2 seconds 0-60 with most being 3 secs slower. Heck C&D clocked a manual XT at 5.3; which is only .3 slower than the $90k Porsche Cayenne Turbo! Having said that, there's no way the XT is going to compete in the prestige dept with the X-3 or FX so if someone wants to make a status statement with their vehicle, then the XT is out.   Honestly, the XT really has no direct competition but for shoppers looking for a vehicle that can haul both a fair amount of cargo and A$$, the XT rates right up there with the FX and X-3.   -Frank P.
#46 of 1193 antithesis of snob by akasrp Jan 23, 2004 (5:39 pm)
an MD pal was checking out my new XT - he expressed disappointment that it has power ‘everything’. He just last week bought a strippy Saturn Vue with ‘crank’ windows. "Did you have to buy it so loaded?"   Not everybody has to wear the badge...
#47 of 1193 things that make you go hmmm by steve_ HOST Jan 23, 2004 (6:03 pm)
upscale   Anyone remember the thread somewhere around here about upscale cars? - some opined that Volvos were like VW's. Not upscale.   So I asked my wife if she thought Volvos were upscale or luxury cars and she said yeah.   I didn't bring up Saab.   I have this own scale in my head:   VW --> Audi --> Porsche Chevy --> Buick --> Caddy Nissan --> Infiniti Toyota --> Lexus Honda --> Acura (keep forgetting this tie-in) Ford --> Jag (ok, had to stretch to remember that connection)   So continuing this ramble, BMW, MB, Infiniti, Lexus are top tier in the status ranking; Dodge, Ford, Mazda are second tier; the Kia and Hyundai are working their way into the middle class.   Subaru --> practically a niche tier, rather like Jeeps (esp. Wranglers). In my scale, the Subaru in this discussion comparison seems a bit out of place. But that's just me, and I haven't driven any of them.   People certainly cross-shop tiers around here; depreciation may make you want to jump up a tier if you trade often too:   A Mercedes at a Chevy price (MSN Money)   Steve, Host
#48 of 1193 my observations by mark_lp Jan 23, 2004 (6:23 pm)
I recently drove the FX, Murano, and X3. I bought X3. Here were my deciding issues. I live in the Midwest with lots of snow and cold. I am on construction sites during the winter in the cold for hours at a time. I haul many medium to large items around. And I also enjoy driving.   FX35 loaded except dvd/nav system about 40k out the door - too hard of a ride - dealer stuck to sticker + nav system (if you need it) + loaner for service + long-term reliability - must pay for service on car during warranty - not alot of storage space - no heated steering wheel - bad blind spot - average motorized lumbar support - average interior layout   Murano SE awd except technology about 36K out the door + great interior ergonomics + nice softer but controlled ride - no heated steering wheel - seat heater only does butt area and not back + good storage + same great nav as FX - can't aim air blowers at hands to warm - poor blind spot but better than FX - no loaner during service - maintanence not paid for during warranty + 10k longer warranty than BMW - average manual lumbar support - many rattle complaints - potential long-term problems with belt driven CVT + good interior rear storage + dealer very willing to move on price - regular oil   X3 3.0 loaded except nav,pdc,power mirrors,psound 44k out the door + heated steering wheel + Xdrive + Xenon w/ adaptive light control + best overall driving experience + panoramic roof - poor interior layout compared to murano + good rear storage + 4 way elect. lumbar control - highest price + valet service to home/office w/ loaner + all maintenance paid for during warranty - costliest vehicle to maintain long-term + synthetic oil + hot/cold adjustment on face air vents + no blind spot + ABC,DBC,DSC,HDC,XYZ   I'm sure I missed many other things but I'm sure others will chime in. I hope this helps others looking at these vehicles.
#49 of 1193 mark_lp...just curious by vsroman Jan 23, 2004 (6:41 pm)
if your Infiniti dealer was offering the loaded FX35 (w/o DVD or Nav) for 37 instead of 40, how would that have impacted your decision?
#50 of 1193 vsroman by zman Jan 23, 2004 (6:45 pm)
I concede the point: in comparison to the Subaru, the Infiniti and the BMW may well be "fine[r]" cars (as defined by whom, however, I should be so bold to ask). Case in point: my boss once suggested my career would most likely advance with greater celerity if I purchased a BMW--I'm not kidding; he really said that. I guess that's why he's my boss. His boss drives a VW. Go figure.

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