- #450 of 1964
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Re: I think Toyota is the one to full of Hope [chevy598]
by kdhspyder
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Dec 18, 2006 (1:30 pm)
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Replying to: chevy598 (Dec 18, 2006 12:33 pm)
You seem to be of the opinion that by saying the Tundra will succeed that somehow I'm knocking the GM product. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I think both will be very very successful.
As you will read back above I will certainly derfer to Lutz if he thinks GM will go to 1.0+ Million vehicles I'll agree there too.
GM has 2 winners with the GMT900's. Your wish that the Tundra will fail is wishful thinking at best.
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- #451 of 1964
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Re: I think Toyota is the one to full of Hope [kdhspyder]
by chevy598
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Dec 18, 2006 (2:45 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 18, 2006 1:30 pm)
I don't think Toyota will fail. I just don't think Toyota is going to take as much market share as you do. In fact I wouldn't doubt the Titan is eliminated in a few more years, because of the Tundra. I can see 150k to 200k a year in sales for the Tundra if they don't have to many quality problems.
I just think you are under playing the pro American attitude of large truck & suv buyers. The day you look at the back window of a Tundra, and see Calvin pissing on a Nissan logo you'll know the Japanese have made a dent in the truck segment.
Sorry about the Language.
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- #452 of 1964
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Re: I think Toyota is the one to full of Hope [kdhspyder]
by ggesq
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Dec 18, 2006 (2:48 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 18, 2006 1:30 pm)
As weird as this may sound I am both a Chevy and Toyota truck fan. I've had two Chevy trucks in the stable in the past and loved them both. In 2004, I got rid of my Chevy and bought a Toyota. I really missed the styling of the Chevy as well as the power and torque. Nonetheless, I don't regret getting the Toyota because it has given me 45k trouble free miles thus far. I am anxious to see the new Tundra in person as well as driving it. Toyota needs to go bigger and badder to compete in this segment and that is what they did w/ the redesign. Toyota was also missing different engine options in its current design. A problem which is also going to be fixed w/ the redesign.
All in all- I think both trucks are (or will be) a success. 
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- #453 of 1964
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Re: I think Toyota is the one to full of Hope [chevy598]
by rorr
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Dec 18, 2006 (2:55 pm)
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Replying to: chevy598 (Dec 18, 2006 2:45 pm)
"I just don't think Toyota is going to take as much market share as you do."
Quite possibly - large truck/large SUV buyers can be a closed minded group unwilling to even TRY anything else, convinced in their own mind that all media reviews supporting THEIR favorite brand are correct, while media reviews praising the competition (particularly foreign competition) is 'obviously' biased.
However, it was said 15 years ago that while the imports had a lock on the small car market, there was no way that they'd ever make serious inroads into the midsize family car market.....
Care to look at market share for Chevy midsize cars vs. either the Camry or Accord?
No one is saying that Toyota will have the MAJORITY of the truck market.....all that's being said is that their market share WILL grow. A lot of those buyers may well be Camry owners looking for a full-size truck to replace their F150 or Silverado.
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- #454 of 1964
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Re: I think Toyota is the one to full of Hope [ggesq]
by chevy598
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Dec 18, 2006 (2:58 pm)
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Replying to: ggesq (Dec 18, 2006 2:48 pm)
Are they going to have a smaller v8? If the Tundra really has 380-hp that thing is going to drink a lot of gas. I don't care what any dealer says that thing is going to get about 14 mpg overall with 380-hp. GM doesn't sell vary many trucks with the optional 6.0L, and I think its got 365-hp. I heard the 6.0L vortec gets a whopping 12 mpg overall.
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- #455 of 1964
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Re: I think Toyota is the one to full of Hope [chevy598]
by ggesq
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Dec 18, 2006 (3:17 pm)
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Replying to: chevy598 (Dec 18, 2006 2:58 pm)
According to Edmunds, the redesign will have 3 engines, a V6, 4.7L V8 and the 5.7L.
IMHO, I don't think people who buy large trucks/SUV's with large motors w/ gobs of hp and torque really care about gas mileage.
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- #456 of 1964
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Re: I think Toyota is the one to full of Hope [ggesq]
by chevy598
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Dec 18, 2006 (3:25 pm)
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Replying to: ggesq (Dec 18, 2006 3:17 pm)
They do. Both Ford & GM have a hard time selling the optional big gas motors. If people need more power they jump straight to the diesels nowadays. HD/SD diesels are all over the place. GM sells so few of the 6.0L vortecs that they don't even put a special badge on the truck.
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- #457 of 1964
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Re: I think Toyota is the one to full of Hope [chevy598]
by ggesq
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Dec 18, 2006 (3:38 pm)
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Replying to: chevy598 (Dec 18, 2006 3:25 pm)
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. My position is that anyone who drives a full size truck or SUV is not looking for Civic/Corolla type gas mileage even with the smallest engine configurations.
"GM sells so few of the 6.0L vortecs that they don't even put a special badge on the truck."
You sure? I was reading Edmunds' review of the 07 Silverado and they state:
"Plastered on the side of our redesigned 2007 Chevrolet Silverado test truck is a bright red badge that reads "Vortec Max." It's the best name Chevrolet could come up with for the top-of-the-line 6.0-liter V8 under the hood, but we're not digging it."
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- #458 of 1964
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Re: I think Toyota is the one to full of Hope [ggesq]
by chevy598
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Dec 18, 2006 (4:20 pm)
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Replying to: ggesq (Dec 18, 2006 3:38 pm)
I work at a GM truck plant that builds all 4 door Chevy/Gmc HDs. After 9/11 and gas prices shot up demand for the 6.0L disappeared. We build 350 trucks per shift and you're lucky if 10 trucks have the 6.0L. We average about 60% with the Duramax Diesel and 40% 5.3L vortec. GM builds more HDs with Diesel engines then all gas engines combined. Before 9/11 we averaged close to 20 6.0L vortecs a day and 60% 5.3L vortec. The last 6 years demand for diesels has sky rocketed. I don't know what the ratios are for Ford & Dodge. I think GM does a little more diesel business then competitors, because the Duramax is hands down the best truck engine in the world. Thank god for Isuzu Motors.You're probably right about the vortec badge. The 2006 models didn't have it, and we haven't switched over to the 2007's yet. Chevy/GMC HD's start being built in mid February and should hit the dealers in late March.
Hey kdhspyder, just because I work for GM doesn't mean I don't like foreign cars. I would love to get my hands on a Lexus. Now thats a car I consider "Best in Class", and would look nice parked next to my Silverado.
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- #459 of 1964
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Re: I think Toyota is the one to full of Hope [chevy598]
by ggesq
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Dec 18, 2006 (4:35 pm)
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Replying to: chevy598 (Dec 18, 2006 4:20 pm)
"I think GM does a little more diesel business then competitors, because the Duramax is hands down the best truck engine in the world. Thank god for Isuzu Motors."
I have a friend w/ a Cummins that would probably beg to differ
Happy motoring 
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