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there seems to be alot of attention paid to tow ratings of these 1/2 ton trucks, and all the manufacturers are guilty to a point but lets be reasonable here what good is 10,000# capacity? using the rule of thumb that you need 10% tongue weight so thats 1000# on the back of your truck, with the proper weight distribution hitch you might have enough payload capacity left to carry a full tank of gas. Now I pull a 7000# trailer with my 1/2 ton chev and i certainly know its there. It is stable and the truck is rated for more but that is all i am comfortable pulling with it. I guess my point is "physically " anyone can throw in a bigger engine and transmission and the truck will pull 20,000# but without the proper frame, suspension etc... who cares. If you need a serious towing truck(which i consider 10,000lbs serious) then go for a 3/4t or even a 1t
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Replying to: maple2 (Dec 17, 2006 8:03 am) It takes a backend loaded with dirt, stone, or an iron block to see the suspension sag on the average 1/2 ton. There's not a lot of things you can put in a truck bed that will max out payload capacity without hauling a trailer. |
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Replying to: chevy598 (Dec 17, 2006 7:27 am) Here is that data that Toyota has found in truck buyers.. Dodge buyers are the least loyal. Nearly 65% of them would consider another vehicle. GM buyers are the next likely to switch. 65% of current Tundra owners were GM owners previously. Over 50% of Ford buyers would never consider anything other than a Ford. This was before the recent turmoil. It only addresses buyers' sentiments. Even when you drive by in your reliable Tundra and their stuck on the side of the road with a blown transmission. Please, rather than continuing an intelligent exchange you're falling into the 'hopes of the detroiters' context. 'I sure hope this Tundra falls on it's face because if it's as good as the rumors then my [ fill-in-a-name ] is going to look pretty weak in comparison.' 'Please let the Tundra fall on it's face. Don't let them get this right too.' Am I right? |
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The great thing about this battle is its not going to be fought on the East and West coast. Its going to be fought in the Mid West, Texas, Interior West, and the South. The only way Toyota is going to sell 200k Tundras is if everybody in California trades in their Camry for a Truck. This isn't the first time Toyota had big plans for the US pickup market, and the last time they fell on their face. They planned on selling a whole lot more then 120k a year. I don't have numbers on me because it was so long ago, but I think they had bigger sales goals when the last Tundra came out. Toyota still has extra capacity at their truck plant in Indiana that their not using. A couple years ago I heard how Nissan was going to have the big 3 running in fear with the new Titan. So far the Japanese 0-2 in the pickup segment.
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Replying to: chevy598 (Dec 17, 2006 2:24 pm) 80-90's small pickup mid 90's 1st Gen Tacoma 2003 Tacoma takes over the midsized category ( with the Frontier ) mid 90's T100 MY 2000 1st Gen Tundra MY 2007 Tundra blast onto the scene with class leading everything. This has never been about one specific model or year. This is about 7-15 years from now. The NGT will be class leading and it'll be up to all the rest to react. If Ford and Dodge can't solve their internal problems they will just fall by the wayside. Wanna bet on past performance that when Toyota decides to make a big investment it wont pay off? This is a given. It's only a matter of time.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 17, 2006 6:58 pm)
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Replying to: chevy598 (Dec 17, 2006 8:10 pm) Again you miss the point. This isn't about 2007 or even 2008. It's about 2012 thru 2015 and putting 500K to 700K Tundras on the road every year, just like the Camry and Corolla, and making a bundle of money in doing it. If it take 4 yrs then that's what it'll take. If it's 8 yrs well then it'll be 8 yrs. It will get done one way or another. When a company invests this much money in a new plant, especially Toyota, then it will be a success.
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 17, 2006 9:29 pm) Your numbers speak for themselves. 50% of all F-150 buyers wouldn't even consider buying another brand. 35% of Dodge & GM buyers wouldn't consider another brand. So by your numbers over 40% of all truck buyers are not going to consider another brand. Let alone a Japanese brand. In an earlier post you speculated Ford could lose 180k a year to Toyota because of an older model. How is that going to happen when 50% off all F-150 buyers wouldn't own another truck regardless of quality or capability? Lets see a poll of how many domestic truck owners would ever set foot in a Japanese dealership.
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Replying to: chevy598 (Dec 18, 2006 9:02 am) Either math isn't your strong suit or you didn't read all of the data. I didn't say 180,000 Ford owners would move to Toyota. ( BTW this is only 20% of Ford's total sales. ) I estimated that Ford would lose 180,000 owners, probably because of cutbacks at the plants ( Norfolk ) and financial weakness, but that most of these lost sales would go to GM!!!! You missed that part I guess. Yes 50% won't consider anything but Ford but that means that 50% will look elsewhere. I guess you missed that point too. Your numbers speak for themselves. 50% of all F-150 buyers wouldn't even consider buying another brand. 35% of Dodge & GM buyers wouldn't consider another brand. So by your numbers over 40% of all truck buyers are not going to consider another brand. I will go along with this point that 40% of buyers ( F/GM/D ) won't consider any other brand. That seems reasonable. But it also says that 60% ( the majority of buyers ) will consider another brand. This seems to be what Toyota has found as well. Most buyers will consider another truck. Now about 'Lets see a poll of how many domestic truck owners would ever set foot in a Japanese dealership. ' Toyota and all automakers track the trade-ins at each store since it's part of the transaction. Toyota has found in it's Tundra sales that 65% of new Tundra owners are.....were prior GM owners!! Now what was it you were saying about who putting a foot in a Japanese dealership?
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 18, 2006 9:56 am)
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