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Mazda MAZDA3, Hatchback, Sedan
#3767 of 5141 Re: Buying a 2009 MAZDA3 HB Auto s Touring [jatec]
Dec 16, 2008 (6:54 pm)
i know what you mean. every dealer, after they give me a quote, asks me when i want to come down to see/drive it.
i know from my last car buying experience im not really good at those high-pressure must-talk-the-talk on-the-spot moments.
what do you mean 'really talk it down in person'? it seems they are already pretty low so i dont know how low can i reasonably ask. i cant even say i want to pay invoice since they are already below invoice
yes, the msrp went up, 500$ sounds about right. but i didnt realize there were any incentives on the 09 models, while there seems to be a 2000$ on the 08s.
as for value, im guessing since they are introducing the 2010s so early, there'll be much less 09s than 08s as used cars. and it depends how quickly youre planning to resell after buying, since depreciation is not linear.
anyways... i told wayne mazda to beat the open road mazda 19000 OTD. they replied that they only have one car like that and it has the moonroof package, and 19350 OTD is as low as theyll go. so now i guess i can check back in with open road
#3768 of 5141 Re: Buying a 2009 MAZDA3 HB Auto s Touring [ogurek]
Dec 16, 2008 (9:05 pm)
Well, i know for a fact that what they give you on the phone is not their bottom line, i'm not a good negotiator my self, so i have to ask people around me whether i should keep haggling.
there weren't any incentives on 09, but the incentives vary from dealer, since wayne mazda didn't say anything about the $2000, and still came in with a better price.. if you ask me.. since moonroof package is roughly 1k, and you're getting it for 350..
and well, if 500 is the difference then i'll take the 09, but if any more i'd consider the 08, but then there are just a lack of GTs for 08 ATM, so i just have to keep looking. I don't really want to drive 50 miles to buy a car.
Are you paying cash or financing? just wanted to know so i have a better idea on their prices. But thx for the heads up, now i have a better idea atleast for these two dealers.
#3769 of 5141 Re: 09 i Touring Sedan [dailydriver2]
Dec 17, 2008 (12:28 pm)
Don't know if this will help given the differences, but you can be the judge. I just went through evaluating costs for an 09i Touring sedan, manual, no options. The rates are all running $15,400 for the car/dest alone in Indianapolis and the Chicago area.
The single exception is a quote from Pugi in Downer's Grove, IL for $16100 OTD (IN taxes figured in). They were an outlier that was $600 below everyone else but their responses have been slow, ignored previous information and I'm getting multiple people emailing me. I take all those as bad signs and given the distance from us, not worth the risk.
Tomorrow we're buying one from Raisor Ford/Mazda for $16700 OTD. I'll throw up the real numbers when we're done with it all.
#3770 of 5141 Re: 09 i Touring Sedan [Sportbiker]
Dec 17, 2008 (8:06 pm)
you are talking about i touring NOT i touring value right?
#3771 of 5141 Re: 09 i Touring Sedan [luckyforever1]
Dec 17, 2008 (8:41 pm)
i just went to the mazda website and only 'i Touring Value' shows up, no 'i Touring'
same thing when you go to edmunds
edmunds says invoice w/destination is $16,690, so your $15,400 is 1300 below invoice, so that sounds decent
i agree that its a bad sign if youre getting multiple contacts, since that means they may not honor your quote
good luck with the purchase!
#3772 of 5141 Re: Buying a 2009 MAZDA3 HB Auto s Touring [jatec]
Dec 17, 2008 (8:57 pm)
i guess that makes some sense. btw, how do you know it for a fact? do you have connections?
i wish i had those helpful sort of people with me at the dealer for haggling, but thats not going to happen. it almost seems like a bizarre game of chicken, to see who will blink first.
all i figure is that dealers should be pretty desperate to unload their 2008s, since its the last two weeks in december 08 and 2010 models are on the horizon.
btw, when i contacted wayne about the 19000 otd price, they actually said that 19000 was not possible for this model (this is with the moonroof/cd) and that open road was using shady tactics and that is why they cant match it. this makes me think that im getting pretty close to the bottom line.
that being said, i plan to go to open road mazda on saturday (the car w/o those options) and mention that at wayne mazda id be getting a moonroof and 6 cd changer for only 350 more. if they cant beat it, then off to wayne i go.
im paying cash cause i hate paying interest. i enjoy the conversation, its like we're all helping each other
btw, i also contacted crystal mazda, and they were pretty firm at their 09 price, near invoice. no 08 model was available for my configuration. i dont know if you tried them.
#3773 of 5141 Re: Buying a 2009 MAZDA3 HB Auto s Touring [ogurek]
Dec 17, 2008 (9:41 pm)
Thanks for the feed, i just got back a few updated quotes from them acutally
Crystal's quotes aren't competitive at all, and i'm all but given up on them.
Open road EB said 2009 is $1000 above 2008, and they have no stock left. For either touring or GT. Open Road Morristown however, gave me a better quote on the 2009 model, with GT starting below 19000, this is with out any fees.
And Wayne starts at 19500 with out fees, so pretty much it's that 1700 spread between Touring and GT. Nothing really getting out of lines. but having seeing a quote dropping below 19000, i think i can get it done with my target price.
I don't have special connections, but my friends around me are saying they got their cars about 4k under msrp OTD with cash, so i should aim for 3k to 3.5k under msrp OTD. or maybe even more as we head in to the last 2 weeks of the year.
I'm prabably taking the 0% finance, since i think i have the credit for it. Just want to keep that extra cash for emergencies.
Let me know how it goes on saturday, i'm sure to be the first one to congratulate you
#3774 of 5141 Re: Buying a 2009 MAZDA3 HB Auto s Touring [ogurek]
Dec 19, 2008 (12:06 pm)
I bought 2008.5 Mazda3 HB S touring last month. I bought from Wayne Mazda and found them very straight forward to deal with. I got a pretty good internet quote from them, but was able to improve it after we met in person ...and after I left to shop at other dealers...2 days later they called and took my initial offer.
You may not feel like you are a good negotiator, but just remember some things.
1) in this economy any dealership needs you more than than you need them. There is always another dealership to visit, another offer to consider.
2) Before you get there decide what you believe is a fair price and what is the most you are willing to pay. Do not share this info, but stay true to your self. Also check the inventory tool at mazdausa.com before you visit so you know if they have many or one of what you want. Many gives you more power.
3) You can always walk away and you should if the dealer/salesperson creeps you out, applies gross pressure, makes you uncomfortable, seems unscrupulous. If you walk away, no one will chase you out the door or throw things at you. They most likely will call you and be very polite in a couple days later. State your offer again over the phone and just see where it goes. Negotiation is really just a discussion after all.
4) Make them an offer, it is a game of chicken, but what do you have to lose. They may say yes, they may say no, they may offer something in between. You are no worse off for trying.
#3775 of 5141 Re: Buying a 2009 MAZDA3 HB Auto s Touring [jatec]
Dec 19, 2008 (5:18 pm)
As you mentioned as "my friends around me are saying they got their cars about 4k under msrp OTD with cash, so i should aim for 3k to 3.5k under msrp OTD"
Actually, I don't think you can get this price even current economic is bad for all dealership.
#3776 of 5141 Re: Buying a 2009 MAZDA3 HB Auto s Touring [jatec]
Dec 19, 2008 (7:38 pm)
sorry that you didnt have luck with open road EB. a 1000$ markup on the 09 seems a bit high. so they dont have either 08 or 09 for your model? i guess it just depends what they have on the lot. sounds like open road M is the right dealer. when are you planning to visit them or buy your car?
MSRP for my model (without destination or other fees) is 19,475, but i dont see buying the car OTD for 15,475. since the quotes i got were in the 19,000 range OTD, i think i can shave another 1000 from that.
as you know we had really bad weather here today, but i think i can make it to OR east brunswick in the early afternoon. i dont want to test drive in the snow/slush or darkness.