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Replying to: vlstellato (Dec 29, 2007 6:19 pm) |
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>>My dealer stated that doc fees are not negotiable because of law (?). The doc fee is extra padding- read, profit. Most states regulate maximum amounts that can be charged, and how high this is depends upon the auto dealers lobby in your state capital. The 'law' is involved only in that they cannot charge you more without itemizing and further explaining it. They can certainly charge you less, and if they are saying otherwise they are being less than truthful. No need to get involved in an argument- just have them lower their price by a corresponding amount. Because to say they are only charging $400 over invoice, and then see that they are tacking on a $300 "documentary fee," means that they are actually charging $700 over profit. If they come out and admit as much, I don't have a problem, and will either buy or not buy from them. But for them to come out and be less than truthful makes me wonder what else they are being dishonest about, and I tend to walk. |
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I was planning on making purchasing soon, and so far lowest OTD quote from dealer for the above configuration is $18,643. Just wondering if anyone else received a better OTD for something simliar to this |
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Replying to: jrct9454 (Apr 19, 2004 5:05 am) In addition, for comparing deals in different states, it is useful to know their state sales tax, which varies by a few %, which for Mazda3 means +/- ~$400-ish.
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Replying to: nsbio1 (Jan 05, 2008 12:55 pm) |
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Document fees in Phoenix are considerably higher than what I'm seeing posted here from other places. They fell in the $299-$499(!) range for Mazda dealers here. Our license fees are based on the value of the car. On a new '08 Mazda3, it comes out to around $350. Every dealer here wants to tack on window tint - they put it on every new car unless you either specifically order it without it or you happen to find a car fresh of the truck that hasn't been tinted yet ($299 charge on the Mazda3 everywhere I checked). Most want to add some sort of "Desert Protection Package" that includes some sort of paint protection. Cardinale Way Mazda quoted me $1097 for their DPP & $499 for doc fees on a pre-owned 2007 Mazda3. I have no idea what their DPP included - I couldn't get past the shock of them adding $1600 to the price right out of the gate (an internet advertised price that was higher than invoice on a new 2008, BTW). I found that, of the 5 dealers I got bids from in the Phoenix area, they all started by adding about $900 in total adds to the price of a new '08 (+TT&L). At the end of December, one of the dealers was offering 500 under invoice for anything in stock, the others were all willing to sell the 3 at invoice without argument. |
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Replying to: zragnarok (Dec 29, 2007 6:27 pm) |
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Replying to: nsbio1 (Jan 05, 2008 12:55 pm) The most meaningful basis for comparison would be for all costs less tax. Not less tax and title, just less tax, since 'title' fees are also subject to fluffing up. Only in this way can we validly compare drive-off costs across states and counties, including those with no tax at all.
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Replying to: unkownuser (Jan 13, 2008 8:10 am) On the other hand, trade-in should be a separate transaction, negotiated separately from the car purchase (OTD) price. For example, I paid $16976 OTD for 2008 Mazda3i Touring 5sp ABS, cargo net, wheel locks (MSRP $17375) in NC. The OTD price includes 3%NC tax, title,registration, $444 dealer doc fee (high, but the overall price of the car was reasonable, so I did not negotiate). From that price, they subtracted $100 for my 96 Protege with broken engine and 201 K Miles on it.
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Replying to: nsbio1 (Jan 13, 2008 2:42 pm) Do you think I can get them to lower the price even further? Thanks
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