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Replying to: JBaumgart (Apr 20, 2007 5:21 pm) |
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Replying to: JBaumgart (Apr 20, 2007 5:21 pm) I like having OEM navigation, no risk of theft, integrated into the car, good sat reception without external antenna, etc. The downside is the initial cost and updates from Navteq and few and far between and cost $199 or so when they do come out. You can get a portable Garmin for as low as $200 on up to several hundred. Garmin releases map updates about every year and the cost is normally $75. The largest, most expensive Garmin has an MSRP of just $1300 but sells for less. I love the integrated OEM NAV systems, but it has become almost impossible to rationalize the cost with the after-market GPS systems being so cheap now. Dennis
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Replying to: dwynne (Apr 21, 2007 10:45 am)
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Replying to: JBaumgart (Apr 21, 2007 11:37 am) |
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Replying to: steevo (Apr 18, 2007 7:20 am) Part 2, after about 2-3 weeks of waiting, I was finally ready to buy. Things came up that prevented me from buying then, when I first went to the dealerships. So I got some pricing again, through online quotes, and most were around invoice, best being $250 below invoice. And these invoice prices all included freight, which I think they should. Then just that week, my mom got a $500 off coupon for a local dealership, "taken off your best deal," it said. So with that in mind, that dealership was quoting me $200 off, plus this coupon makes it $700. I went ahead and called back the original place I had gone to, the one discussed in part one. I told them my pricing, and said "this dealership is quoting me $22586 (OTD), which is $200 below invoice, but I have a $500 coupon for them, making it $22086 (OTD). I told him if he wanted my business, he'd have to beat them. I said something like $21900 (OTD) would be good. He seemed to stop for a minute, thinking he wouldn't be able to do it, but told me he'd talk to his manager, and then get back to me. I didn't hear from him the rest of the evening, which was Thursday btw. Friday morning, I get an email from the dealer saying "I can sell you the silver GT HB that I have in stock for $21153 out the door. It includes some extra accessories like Sirius radio and cargo net." I was shocked, he crushed the competition, beating the best offer by close to $1000, and beating what I asked for by almost $800. Then I paused and thought, "what's wrong with the car, is it missing automatic and bose, is it a demo or has lots of mileage, oh wait, is it even an 07?" These thoughts crossed my mind and I wanted to confirm with with the dealer. I asked something along the lines of, "I'd like to confirm that the car you are talking about is an 07 3 GT hatch automatic, with bose audio/moonroof. Can you also tell me how many miles are on the car?" Shortly after sending, I was telling my coworker about what was going on. He said, "what if the dealer meant $22153, that'd make more sense." Then it hit me, he might have mistyped and was off by $1000, which really would add up and be a much more reasonable deal. I was scared now, I wanted that quoted price. I immediately emailed the dealer back and said, "I'll be there tonight at around 7:30 to pick up the car." I got a reply from him and he said that'd work. So no reply from him confirming the options, or the mileage, or even the year, but that's fine, killer price, worth a trip at least, and he said he'd meet up. I'll find out exactly what it is when I get there. I got there that evening and he sat us down. Before I started, I told him I wanted to take the car out for a quick spin. It was parked right in front, plastic covering the seats, sticker saying it's 07 with the options I was looking for. Last check for me was the mileage...great, 7 miles on it. Not bad in my book. I drove it around for a mile, small loop around the dealer, all seemed fine. I was finally ready to buy. Keep in mind this is my first car, so it was very exciting. I start filling out the mazda credit app, and he went and wrote up the selling contract on the carbon copy paper they have. I glanced up and saw him writing, and noticed he wrote $21153 on the top line of the sheet, and added tax, tags, and processing to it. What was going on, didn't he write "out the door" on my email. He was about $1500 off from what I was planning on paying. He turned the paper to me and asked me to look it over, I said, "wait a minute, you told me out the door price was that top price, that would be written at the bottom." He laughed, and said "you'd kidding right, out the door doesn't included all that, you were expecting the pay that price all said and done, no way." I said, "yes, forget this, thanks for your time," and got up. I was pissed. I was halfway in my car when the manager ran after me. He asked what was wrong, and I immediately said to him, "before I get started, what does out the door mean to you?" He asked as expected, and said "it includes everything, tax, tags, you name it." I immediately agreed, and explained that the dealer wanted to add tax, tags, proc, to what was quoted, and I showed in the email. He read it, and said that I was right, and said, "hang on a minute, let me see what I can do." I sat for about 3 minutes, and decided that was enough. I walked in and told him that I was ready to pay the price as quoted, and am done negotiating. He said that the price was too good, and he couldn't do it, best he could do was $21900 or so. I told him "thanks for your time, but I'll see you later". And let, done with them. I was pissed all night. It's now saturday morning. I was ready to go over to the dealership with the $500 coupon, ready to pay $700 below invoice. I tried reaching the dealer but he wasn't in. He wasn't going to be in for a few hours. Fine, I'll wait. In the meant time, still pissed off about last night, I thought I should complain to Mazda headquarters, or something like that. I wanted to get in touch with the general manager of that local dealership first, and tell him the problem and vent. Called up the dealership from the night before, got voicemail for the general manager. Hit "0" for the operator again to ask for another manager. Guy gets on the phone and politely asks how he can help. I asked him
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Replying to: stallionre (Apr 18, 2007 9:12 am) I was at Galpin Mazda in Van Nuys this weekend. I have mixed feelings about my visit. They were nice enough but wouldn't commit to their quote. I got a quote for 15,473 for a mazda 3 i touring from another dealer. They claimed that they would match it but sounded week. I told them that I would be ready to buy the first week of may and took the sales woman's card. Who is your person? Let me know. Thanks!
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Replying to: KarenS (Dec 30, 2003 7:28 am)
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Replying to: sakusmith (Apr 26, 2007 2:44 pm) Moral of the story...do your research, have options and be willing to walk away. Specifically I would price it out here on Edmunds and make them an offer either at invoice or a couple of hundred dollars below and let them know that you are ready to buy if they an agree to terms.
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Replying to: scrybe74 (Apr 26, 2007 3:14 pm)
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Replying to: calvinc (Apr 21, 2007 6:34 pm) Calvin--no offense, but sometimes buyers on this--and other prices paid forums--fail to see the forest for the trees. By that I mean you are so obsessed with focusing on OTD pricing that you ignore the much bigger picture where you'll really save money. Now, if you are like the typical American buyer you will be putting no money down, or worse, have negative equity from a prior purchase. That mistake alone will cost you so much more than you than recoup from any negotiating on OTD price. Perhaps your fico score won't allow you to finance on the most favorable terms. Mazda had 1.8% APR when I bought my 3 in March and I believe it's 1.9% now for the "most qualified" buyers You'll also likely finance for some protracted time frame and that will also cost you big time. I crunched a few #s for you below: #1--You buy for your target price of $21,900  7.5% interest which yields payments of $439/month for 5 years. Lets be generous and say you saved $1000, even $2000, off dealer MSRP. The total interest you'll pay is $4430.00 over the term of the loan. #2--Now let's say you buy for your highest figure $22,586. Again with no money down, you qualify for the 1.8% for 3 years. Your monthly payment will be $644/month for the 3 years, but your interest is $632. Putting $5000 down would reduce your monthly payment to $502/month and your interest to $492. In scenario 1 saving $686 on up-front cost. Unfortunately, you are spending roughly 7 times more, or $3748 on back-end interest. Of course you'd save even more if you put 20% or more down. I'm paying a whopping $225 in interest on my Mazda3 S touring hatch and haven't worried a lick about whether I paid invoice or MSRP. While you are all tied up in knots complaining that you can't get a favorable deal quibbling over small change, I'm out enjoying driving a new car with almost a free loan. Plus I'll never be upside down on my car and I have bumper to bumper extended warranty from Mazda for an extra 4 years. Gogiboy
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