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Re: Reasonable & Customary Fees? [maznewbie]
by widow1
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Feb 26, 2006 (3:39 pm)
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Replying to: maznewbie (Feb 26, 2006 9:37 am)
What are dealer fees for ? Its a bogus paper processing and, in your case, phony PDI fee tacked on to the end of a deal as a way to gouge extra profit from you. Most car salesman are told in training that all car dealers have them now so that they can tell that lie without a qualm to a complaining customer surprised by the extra cost above the purchase price. This was what my brother was told in training when he began to sell Toyotas in Bradenton, FL. I had to tell him that such was not the case. I have a Honda dealer (Williamson) in Lincoln, NE from whom I bought a 2004 and 2006 Civic that has a $0 dealer doc fee; another, Superior Honda in Omaha, has only a $35 dealer doc fee. In Kansas City I have a Subaru dealer - Jack Miller - from whom I buy Subarus who has no dealer fee. Granted these are the anomalies today as most dealers have them. Yet they exist, particularly in the heartland where business practices are not as sharp. The coasts and the larger metropolitan areas sport the biggest dealer thieves where the fees can reach the $500 mark. At my Mazda dealer in Lincoln, NE I paid a $120 dealer fee for a 2004 Mazda 3i and $159 two years later for a 2006 Mazda 3s. When shopping for a new car today, the first question out of your mouth has to be what is your dealer fee.
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Re: Reasonable & Customary Fees? [widow1]
by maznewbie
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Feb 26, 2006 (4:02 pm)
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Replying to: widow1 (Feb 26, 2006 3:39 pm)
Thanks much for the info widow1. I guess it was an expensive lesson learned! I will be asking about dealer fees in the future..., but not at this dealer again! Would you mind disclosing the name of your Lincoln, NE Mazda dealer?
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maznewbie
by z71bill
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Feb 26, 2006 (6:48 pm)
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Re: Reasonable & Customary Fees?
There is no such thing - it is just another name for paying more money. Does the bank (yours or the dealership) treat the money paid for fees any differently then the money paid for the car?
Look on the window sticker you will see a line called DELIVERY, PROCESSING AND HANDLING - this is the charge for transportation (most of the time people call it the destination charge) - but it is also for vehicle prep including the paperwork.
The salesperson may try and say this is a fee Mazda charges the dealership and has nothing to do with the transaction between the dealership and the customer - pure lie - the agreement between the dealership and Mazda includes the dealership doing normal vehicle prep - which includes basic things like installing floor mats - removing the protective covers - checking the tire PSI - bla bla bla - dealerships like to add this fee in because most customers - even the ones that don't like it - still pay it.
It would be the same as charging you twice for the seats or the steering wheel.
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Moving fast! [widow1]
by autonomous
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Feb 28, 2006 (8:01 am)
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Took delivery late September. Now I'm getting out of the Mazda game. Bought both as a second driver for the wife and I. Have driven the '06 sparingly - have only 2k on the odometer - but love the torquey 2.3 liter though I was not displeased with the 2 liter in the '04. Now my driving needs have changed drastically and I will be doing a lot of traveling. So the Mazda is on the block and I'm replacing it with a fuel sipping VW Jetta TDI.
Wow! Selling within 5 months and 2K miles! Depreciation costs can be staggering (20% to 25% for initial year on compacts). Consumer Reports rated the Mazda3 manual in its top compacts for fuel economy so it's a bit surprising that you mention "fuel sipping VW Jetta TDI" as the reason to move from Mazda. The new Jetta is a very handsome vehicle. Happy trails with the Jetta!
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Re: Moving fast! [autonomous]
by widow1
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Feb 28, 2006 (3:46 pm)
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Replying to: autonomous (Feb 28, 2006 8:01 am)
Done it before several times with different vehicles. Depends on how cheap you bought the car you're divulging yourself of and how close a deal you can get on the vehicle you're buying plus the state of the market. Mazda 3 is a high demand car in short supply. I sold the 2004 3i after a year for $14100 and had bought it at $15300. It's sold for 3 years with no incentives, rebates, and special APR. Mazda ran a one month of 0 %/24 month financing in Sept 2004 on all Mazda vehicles so I paid no interest on my loan for the 2004. Would not attempt it on just any vehicle. Had a dealer locate at port a Jetta TDI manual trannie with no option package (a savings of $1500-$2000) and had him dealer trade before the Jetta left port so it comes straight to my dealer with no miles on it. Bought it at $500 over invoice. I also ease the shock to the wallet by doing Dealer Pass Throughs in the sale of my current car to get more for it while still using it for trade-in value to reduce my sales tax load ( the mechanics: get a buyer at my price, sell it to the dealer as a trade for the new car, and have the dealer sell it back to my buyer; an 'in and out" paper shuffle that's quite common today). Consumer Reports tested a Mazda 3i manual - not the 3s I now have. Claimed the 3i got 41 mph. I never got beyond 35 mpg in mine Take the Toyo tires off made especially for that vehicle and aftermarket it and you will not get that. In my 3s I might get 32 mpg highway on occasion. With the Jetta I will remove the now standard 16 " tires and steel wheels on the option packageless TDI and sell them on eBay. Will replace them with 15" tires and up the fuel efficiency 2-3 mpg on top of the already great TDI fuel economy. I also need the trunk space in the Jetta: a cavernous 16 cu. ft. to the Mazda 3s' 11 cu. ft.
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Re: Reasonable & Customary Fees? [widow1]
by kyfdx HOST
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Feb 28, 2006 (7:59 pm)
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No phone numbers in the forums, please...
Thanks,
kyfdx
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mazda 3 grand touring SEDAN with moonroof/ bose audio
by rustes
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Mar 01, 2006 (3:58 pm)
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Miami area, red color OTD price 22,250. Should I buy? is it a good deal?
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- #2395 of 3683
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Mazda3 S Touring 5-Door, 5-Spd Stock: $18750 OTD
by jocjones
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Mar 01, 2006 (5:02 pm)
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Good day, gang.
I was quoted an OTD price of $18750 for a stock, Mazda3 S Touring 5-Door, 5-spd, no additional options in the whitewater pearl color in the Hampton Roads area.
Thoughts on the price? From what I can tell reading this board it may be a pretty good deal.
Anyone else from this part of Virginia get anything near this?
Thanks.
Tom
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widow1
by z71bill
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Mar 01, 2006 (6:31 pm)
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Why will changing to 15 inch wheels/tires increase your MPG?
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