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How to get rid of a 2003 Windstar by jimmyto
May 07, 2007 (6:47 am)
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Hi. We need your help.
 
My friend is getting divorced Oct 2007. During her marriage she bought a Windstar 2003 Sports Edition. Her husband bought it for her for approx. $40 000 CDN. $600CDN/motnh x 72 months 1.90% interest rate. He bought it but she signed the papers under her name only, not his.
 
The mini van has been but problems as the transmission had to be changed twice under the warranty. Mileage is 110 000 kms and power warranty is only until 150 000kms.
 
Is there a way/solution to get rid of this mini van? The balance on it is another $25 000. The mini van is worth about $12 000-14 000 in the market.
 
Selling the van would mean paying the difference of approx. $12 000 and she would be left without a vehicle to drive her daughter. Would keeping it be a better move?
 
Please help. What is your advice?
 
Thanks!
 
Jaibey
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Re: How to get rid of a 2003 Windstar [jimmyto] by grandtotal
May 07, 2007 (9:25 am)
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Replying to: jimmyto (May 07, 2007 6:47 am)

I don't like to be the bearer of bad news, but the Windstar is probably worth much less than $12000, maybe as little as half that. I don't think your friend has any options at all, she should keep it until it is paid off.
 
By the way, are you sure she still owes that much because I calculate that she should owe $25000 after about 28 months, and assuming she bought the van new (otherwise why did her husband pay so much for it) she should be a lot further through paying for it by now.
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Re: How to get rid of a 2003 Windstar [grandtotal] by sebring95
May 07, 2007 (9:49 am)
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Replying to: grandtotal (May 07, 2007 9:25 am)

I agree, the payoff seems high. Assuming a $25,000 payoff, they would have had to buy this 2003 model in December of 2004. That doesn't seem right, but I suppose possible. Assuming they bought it at a more reasonable time (June 2003) the payoff is only around $15,000. Unless there's a piece of this puzzle we're missing (skipped payments, higher APR, etc.)
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Re: How to get rid of a 2003 Windstar [grandtotal] by kirstie_h HOST
May 07, 2007 (11:12 am)
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Replying to: grandtotal (May 07, 2007 9:25 am)

Remember, it is $CDN - which doesn't change the loan calculation, but is different than the $US value.
 
If your friend has good credit, she *may* be able to refinance the loan if she absolutely can't afford the current payments. Hard to say, but talking to her bank/credit union about that is a good idea.
 
And, as others have mentioned, are you SURE about the payoff amount? If she simply took $600 and multiplied it by the number of remaining payments, that's not likely to be accurate.
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Re: How to get rid of a 2003 Windstar [sebring95] by qbrozen
May 07, 2007 (11:18 am)
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Replying to: sebring95 (May 07, 2007 9:49 am)

I'm a third who thinks the payoff is high. And buying it that late I don't believe would even be the case because usually special promotional APRs (like 1.9% for 72 months) wouldn't still be available on such an old leftover.
 
I'm thinking they rolled a HUGE amount of negative equity.(???)
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Re: How to get rid of a 2003 Windstar [grandtotal] by dtownfb
May 07, 2007 (11:24 am)
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Replying to: grandtotal (May 07, 2007 9:25 am)

This sounds like it needs to be discussed during the divorce proceedings.....
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Re: How to get rid of a 2003 Windstar [dtownfb] by joel0622
May 07, 2007 (11:28 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (May 07, 2007 11:24 am)

This sounds like it needs to be discussed during the divorce proceedings.....
 
Thats what I thought at first to when she said here husband bought it. Then I re-read the post. Her husband did not buy squat. Its her signature all over the paper work not her husbands.
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Re: How to get rid of a 2003 Windstar [joel0622] by sebring95
May 07, 2007 (12:17 pm)
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Replying to: joel0622 (May 07, 2007 11:28 am)

I'm not familiar with Canadian family court, but here in the land of the free, home of the brave......it wouldn't matter who's name is on it. The man would pay for it. One reason I'm still happily married
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Re: How to get rid of a 2003 Windstar [joel0622] by dtownfb
May 07, 2007 (1:15 pm)
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Replying to: joel0622 (May 07, 2007 11:28 am)

True but if he "set her up" by rolling negative equity or by not fully disclosing all the terms of the deal, she may have some recourse.
 
Unfortunately, she is stuck with a minivan that is no longer in production and giving her problems. Trading it will only lose her money and makes no sense to re-finance a 1.9% loan not unless you can get a home equity loan. this way it could be included in the divorce proceedings if it is tied to the house (assuming joint ownership).
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Re: How to get rid of a 2003 Windstar [dtownfb] by cdnpinhead
May 07, 2007 (2:57 pm)
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Replying to: dtownfb (May 07, 2007 1:15 pm)

". . . .unless you can get a home equity loan. . . ."
 
Interest of any kind (even mortgage) isn't deductable in Canada, so home equity loans are no different from any other kind of loan.

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