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Owe more than it's worth... I'm upside down and I can't get up!

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Re: 'upside-down-ness' [kirstie_h] by shipo
Oct 12, 2009 (6:26 am)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Oct 12, 2009 6:04 am)

Funny thing, I actually gave VW a chance to do it right.
 
When the instrument cluster was in the process of failing for the second time, but before the odometer was completely unreadable, I took the car in and requested another new cluster. They said, "No" without even a second thought. I countered with my assertion that the instrument clusters were a "known issue" and since it had already been replaced under warranty it should be replaced again. They laughed in my face and told me that they wanted something like $1,200 for the parts and the work.
 
I turned to a local shop that specialized in VWs and had the job done for $500 (including the purchase of the new cluster). When VWoA called me after the car had been turned in and asked me to "estimate" how many miles were on the car, I stuck to my guns and asked, "What do your service records show?" In the end, my final lease disposition paperwork showed eighteen miles on the car at turn-in. I have no idea why they didn't add the initial (documented) seventeen thousand miles from the first cluster to the thirty some thousand miles that were on the second cluster during the cars' last visit to a VW service department, but they didn't and that was okay by me.
 
Best regards,
Shipo
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Re: 'upside-down-ness' [dgs4] by volvomax
Oct 14, 2009 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: dgs4 (Oct 11, 2009 5:10 pm)

Why would any bank want to finance negative equity on a fast depreciating asset like a car? If I were a loan manager I would not take any loan application that had negative equity in it.
 
The short answer is that NO deal is sent to a bank with negative equity showing.
the numbers are massaged to show either a neutral trade or trade equity.
One of the reasons why trade in values here and places like KBB are off.
the selling price of the new car is raised.
The problem now is that banks aren't doing 100% financing for the most part. They won't do 100 or 120% of MSRP or retail book anymore, so hiding neg equity is much harder.
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Re: 'upside-down-ness' [volvomax] by british_rover
Oct 16, 2009 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: volvomax (Oct 14, 2009 3:16 pm)

Chase won't even finance 100% of invoice on a new Saab anymore and they won't finance longer then 60 months.
 
I think the max they will do is 70% of invoice.
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Re: 'upside-down-ness' [british_rover] by volvomax
Oct 16, 2009 (11:51 am)
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Replying to: british_rover (Oct 16, 2009 10:36 am)

Yikes!
$ucks to be a SAAB dealer.
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Re: 'upside-down-ness' [british_rover] by grandtotal
Oct 16, 2009 (12:02 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Oct 16, 2009 10:36 am)

Is that because Saab is 'going away'?
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Re: 'upside-down-ness' [volvomax] by british_rover
Oct 16, 2009 (12:05 pm)
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Replying to: volvomax (Oct 16, 2009 11:51 am)

I know
 
Back a few years ago if we did 40 Volvos a month then we did 30 SAABs. We can still hit 15 or even 20 Volvos on a good month but only get four or five SAABs.
 
We did do eight SAABs last month were probably number one SAAB dealer in the country too. We don't know though cause GM canned our rep back about a month ago and we didn't get a new one until just last week. Didn't even tell us they fired him just noticed one day that we never got emails from him anymore.
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Re: 'upside-down-ness' [british_rover] by roadburner
Oct 22, 2009 (7:11 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Oct 16, 2009 12:05 pm)

My wife has always wanted a SAAB and I'm willing to give them a look now that they are no longer part of An Amerikan Revolution- AKA Government Motors...

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