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Owe more than it's worth... I'm upside down and I can't get up!

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saab by stickguy
May 21, 2009 (10:05 am)
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Well, the T Belt was more of a fluke thing. So, if the car was otherwise in gret shape and well maintained, it still is (only better, since you know the T belt, etc. are good to go!)
 
Might as well keep it, if you do the math. And I am assuming you won't get 6K for it, and you will owe that 6K (and if it is a car lona, you have to come up with it when you sell the car.
 
Say you owe 6K, and can sell it for 4K. You have to come up with 2K out of pocket just to get back to even. Then, you have to take out a new loan for the next car.
 
Taking into account the 2K that wil ljust vaporize out of your bank account, what are you going to get for enough less in payments to make it worth while?
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Re: what ever happened to.... [benjaminh] by blueiedgod
May 29, 2009 (7:08 am)
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Replying to: benjaminh (May 17, 2009 4:24 am)

Yeah. I had an 87 Jetta. Nice handling. Nice manual. Functional package. And yet, at the same time, total, total unreliable junk. It's amazing that VW has survived in the US as long as it has given that they did that to generations of customers....Is their reliability better now?
 
I had a '91 Jetta, and after that experience, I would never buy anything remotely associated with VW, be it VW it self, Audi, Porsche... they los this customer for life. I went back to Honda has ave not looked back.
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'upside-down-ness' by tomcatt630
Jun 24, 2009 (8:19 am)
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Hmm, some imports are 'unreliable'? Aren't they "all supposed to be better"? [sarcasm] Euro cars are tempremental.
 
Anyway, 'upside-down-ness' is one of the causes of the 'auto meltdown', hardly anyone can afford to trade in, and then the dealers complain? They are the ones adding all the 'profit makers' to the sales prices!
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Re: 'upside-down-ness' [tomcatt630] by joel0622
Jun 24, 2009 (1:07 pm)
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Replying to: tomcatt630 (Jun 24, 2009 8:19 am)

They are the ones adding all the 'profit makers' to the sales prices
 
GASP!!!!!!!!!
 
A retailer is adding profit to the price. Those greedy bastards, I can't believe they are not selling them for what they paid and just break even on every sale.
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Re: 'upside-down-ness' [tomcatt630] by dtownfb
Jun 26, 2009 (8:58 am)
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Replying to: tomcatt630 (Jun 24, 2009 8:19 am)

I just bought a used car two weeks ago. No problem trading my car in. it was paid off back in 2007. financed for four years; will pay off in 3 years and won't think about replacing for 5 years.
 
Being "upside down" is not a problem if you wait until your car is paid off before buying another one. Never understood why people who must finance to afford a new car feel they "need" a new car every 3-4 years. All you are doing is putting yourself at the mercy of the dealers.
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Re: 'upside-down-ness' [joel0622] by dtownfb
Jun 26, 2009 (8:59 am)
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Replying to: joel0622 (Jun 24, 2009 1:07 pm)

"profit" is a dirty word
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Re: 'upside-down-ness' [dtownfb] by fezo
Jun 26, 2009 (9:50 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jun 26, 2009 8:58 am)

Yeah, but you wrecked the "What's the best vehicle for my needs" by buying a Camry.
 
I mean we could tell everyone that the best vehicle for their needs would be a Camry and be right more often than we'd wrong. At least you could have done a Subaru....
 
And you'll never be upside down either way.
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Re: 'upside-down-ness' [fezo] by dtownfb
Jun 27, 2009 (7:30 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Jun 26, 2009 9:50 am)

"And you'll never be upside down either way"
 
Which is one of the reasons why i bought the Camry.
 
Subarus are nice but the back seat is too tight for my kids. The new Forester is out of my budget range for now. Also don't need full time AWD.
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Re: 'upside-down-ness' [dtownfb] by fezo
Jun 28, 2009 (7:46 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Jun 27, 2009 7:30 pm)

I've been down that Subaru back seat path. Had it not been for that we would have bought a Legacy wagon in late 99 but the seats were just too small. Ended up in an Accord which sadly was not available in a wagon anymore at that point. I still have it.
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Re: fez method [fezo] by blueiedgod
Jul 31, 2009 (9:11 am)
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Replying to: fezo (May 17, 2009 8:53 am)

Yes, we even would refer to it as a self managed lease. One reason he likes it better than leasing from the dealer is that if he hit a bad patch for any reason he has more control over the situation.
 
I did the self managed lease back in my 20's. It worked great. I would buy a car at the model year end for a deep discount and then drive for 2-3 years and sell. Worked best with Hondas. My first one was also my first brand new car, bought a 1999 Civic in October of 99, right after the 2000's rolled onto dealer's floors. Paid $15,500 for it, sold it in 2001 for $12,000 ($3500 in depriciation over 36 months comes out to $97/month in self lease), did the same with 2001 CR-V, but it got stolen. Then got a 2002 Civic Si (it was heavily discounted from it's $19,800 MSRP) for $15,000, sold it in 2005 for $12,500. $2500 over 36 months worke dout to be $70/month).
 
It is not bad if one does it with calculated approach.

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