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Re: Lowering payments [joel0622] by joel0622
May 15, 2009 (5:31 am)
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Replying to: joel0622 (May 15, 2009 5:27 am)

here is a good example from just yesterday.
 
Offering Info Term: 72
Est Pmt: $544
Unpaid Bal: $38,329
Wholesale: $25,105
Pct Adv: 153%
 Decision: Approved
Tier: 1
Cond Pct Adv:
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Re: Lowering payments [joel0622] by grandtotal
May 15, 2009 (5:58 am)
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Replying to: joel0622 (May 15, 2009 5:31 am)

Would it be possible to do that for a borrower who was not tier 1? Presumably this is usually for a borrower who is severely 'upside down'?
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Re: Lowering payments [grandtotal] by joel0622
May 15, 2009 (6:25 am)
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Replying to: grandtotal (May 15, 2009 5:58 am)

Our tier system runs 0-5. 0 being the best 5 being the other end. 0-2 would be no problem, 3 would be iffy and a 4 is hard to get it done, unless they have good credit and it is the overadvance that is making it a higher tier. Lending is really a case by case thing.
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Re: Lowering payments [joel0622] by fezo
May 15, 2009 (7:21 am)
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Replying to: joel0622 (May 15, 2009 6:25 am)

Glad you make money that way but I just cannot imagine going that deep into the hole.
 
I'm of the opinion, and have seen it in this topic many times, that the first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole is to stop digging!
 
Of course if you're top tier credit you have to be doing something right!
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Re: Lowering payments [fezo] by joel0622
May 15, 2009 (7:28 am)
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Replying to: fezo (May 15, 2009 7:21 am)

If people with negative equity stopped buying cars the entire auto industry would fold in 3 6 months max. 70% of the people who come in owe more then there car is worth.
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what ever happened to.... by ghulet
May 15, 2009 (8:45 am)
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.....just buying a car and (gasp!) just keeping it til it's paid off? I guess when cars didn't last as long (and people didn't finance for 60-84 months), trading every three years was a viable option, commonplace; I can't see doing that now, unless you're putting massive amounts of miles on it (or otherwise wearing it out), or you have money to burn.
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Re: what ever happened to.... [ghulet] by lokki
May 15, 2009 (9:08 am)
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Replying to: ghulet (May 15, 2009 8:45 am)

Keeping it till it dies was a lot easier when your only accesories were a heater and an AM radio.
 
Now an old car suffers the death of 1,000 cuts. A power mirror quits working, then the auto wipers, then the self-dim rear view mirror, then the power seat, then the power window, then the cruise control, then one of the power locks, then the climate control, then the back up camera, but you get the idea
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Re: what ever happened to.... [lokki] by jimbres
May 15, 2009 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: lokki (May 15, 2009 9:08 am)

Although I often hear people cite the greater complexity of today's cars as a reason for trading frequently, my experience, which goes back to the early 70s, is that the supposedly simpler cars of 30+ years ago were far more prone to breakdowns in their later years.
 
My '78 VW Rabbit - stick, no air, AM radio - died short of its 4th birthday, with just 55K on the clock. I sold it to someone who was looking for parts. Contrast this with my wife's '99 Lexus ES 300, with all the goodies. We kept it for more than 8 years - 4+ years past warranty expiration - & spent a total of $500 on repairs before selling it for top dollar. We'd still have it today if my wife hadn't fallen in love with the ES 350.
 
I've found that I can easily get 10 years out of a properly maintained car without any heroics. That's why we've bought a grand total of 6 cars for 2 drivers during the past 25 years.
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Re: Lowering payments [joel0622] by fezo
May 15, 2009 (9:39 am)
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Replying to: joel0622 (May 15, 2009 7:28 am)

70%! Wow.
 
I can't think of the last time I've been upside down on a car. As I said earlier, Joel, I'm glad this works for you. You'd hate me at shopping. Our Accord will hit 10 in December. It recently hit 168K on the clock which makes it officially the highesy mileage car we've ever had. It long ago became the one we've put he most miles on since out two previous 167K+ cars were bought used with mileage in the upper 30s when we got them.
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Re: what ever happened to.... [jimbres] by fezo
May 15, 2009 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: jimbres (May 15, 2009 9:29 am)

I had an 80 Rabbit that never made it past its payments. What a piece of junk. It was great when it ran. A lot of fun. Unfortunately that wasn't a frequent event.

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