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Owe more than it's worth... I'm upside down and I can't get up!

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LA Times article on upside-down numbers by sky23213
Dec 31, 2007 (1:22 pm)
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Talking about picture being worth a thousand words....
I laugh every time I look at the picture, their expressions are priceless.
And as I have stated before in this discussion, I have absolutely no pity for people like that. 5 cars in three years! Man! And an Expedition at that, why ?!?! I'm sure their neighbors are very impressed though.
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Re: LA Times article on upside-down numbers [sky23213] by kyfdx HOST
Dec 31, 2007 (1:26 pm)
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Replying to: sky23213 (Dec 31, 2007 1:22 pm)

I'm sure when they lived in California, and it cost $2500/mo. to rent a 2-bedroom apartment, those car payments didn't seem like all that much...
 
But, once you move home to Kansas, and Daddy says, "Your car payment is HOW much!!", then you start to look like an idiot..
 
Good old Midwestern values.... can't beat 'em!
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Re: LA Times article on upside-down numbers [kyfdx] by sky23213
Dec 31, 2007 (1:37 pm)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Dec 31, 2007 1:26 pm)

2500?! Wow! That's more that my mortgage, car pmt and insurance
That reminds me of Craig T. Nelson in "Coach" reacting to the price his daughter was paying for 1BR in NYC : 1600!!! Kelly, you can a get a little farm with a farmer for that in Minnesota!"
I'm still still amazed at an earlier post that you can't get anything under 650K in some parts of CA. That means that people have to make twice as much compared to other region, or hold multiple jobs.
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Re: LA Times article on upside-down numbers [corvette] by oregonboy
Dec 31, 2007 (1:50 pm)
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Replying to: corvette (Dec 30, 2007 5:08 pm)

The classic clueless Americans who conclude that they must be able to afford it, or the banks wouldn't loan it to them. Now they are stuck with two TRUCKS that they can't afford to sell, and with rising fuel prices may soon be unable to afford to drive.
 
Doesn't anyone pay attention to what is happening on this planet??? I admit that credit is too easy and the lenders must share the blame, but good grief people, THINK before you buy.
 
rant-off
james
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Wow by guss
Jan 03, 2008 (4:33 am)
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the average amount financed hit $30,738
 
I thought the average new car purchase price was like $28k. So the average new car financed is for more than what it is worth ? If thats the case the credit arms of the manufacturers are going to be the next one to be looking for a government bail out for their customers.
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guss by stickguy
Jan 03, 2008 (8:04 am)
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Well, you have to take out all the non-financed (aka paid in cash) cars that are mixed into the 28K average. I assume the aveage price of financed cars is considerably higher!
 
I wonder if they count self financing (say, a HELOC) as financed or not (probably not), and if they account for captive financing (or at least through the dealer) the same as bringing in a CU check?
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Re: LA Times article on upside-down numbers [oregonboy] by kirstie_h HOST
Jan 03, 2008 (10:03 am)
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Replying to: oregonboy (Dec 31, 2007 1:50 pm)

I admit that credit is too easy and the lenders must share the blame
 
Oh, I don't think that lenders must share blame so much as suffer the consequences. If they give away too much credit too easily to those who aren't good risks, then they go under. I don't believe that the customers who signed up for the bad loans "share the blame" for the lenders going under, in the same way that I don't believe lenders are responsible for consumer's foolish actions.
 
I could probably be approved for a car loan at 3x my current car loan, but rather than make an impulsive decision based on "I deserve it, I want it," I took a real look at my overall budget and *I* decided what *I* could afford.
 
People who cannot do this should, IMO, quite simply not go shopping without being accompanied by someone who can.
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Kirstie by stickguy
Jan 03, 2008 (6:19 pm)
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I'm with you about lenders being overly optimistic about how much debt you can handle. I'm guessing that I could go out tomorrow and buy a really nice car with a payment that would give me heart palpatations (maybe a nice S class benz?), and they would be happy to give me the loan just based on percentages. I could probably step up to a Maybach if my house was paid off!
 
Actually, a few years ago (well, 11 now) when I bought my current house, I had to close before selling my prior house. Turns out that, even though I was nervous about taking on the higher (new) mortgage, the lender was perfectly happy to loan me enough to buy own both houses! So instead of a brdge loan of some kind, I just took out a mortgage on the new house.
 
Of course, even though the bank said it was OK, I would have been a wreck being tied to that monthly nut on one house!
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Re: Kirstie [stickguy] by lemko
Jan 04, 2008 (9:18 am)
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Replying to: stickguy (Jan 03, 2008 6:19 pm)

A year ago in September, I was considering a house in a nice suburb. The mortgage broker said I qualified for something called a "bridge loan" in order to pay the mortgage on my current home while paying for the mortgage on my new home. The guy had every confidence I could afford it. Oh, I could "afford" it, but at what cost? I have bulletproof credit and I'm not going to do anything to compromise it, not even risk being late on a utility bill because I overextended myself on a mortgage. Seeing how the housing market is in a meltdown, I definately made a smart decision to stay in my current place with my current mortgage that is less than the rent on many one-bedroom apartments.
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Re: Kirstie [lemko] by joel0622
Jan 04, 2008 (10:35 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 04, 2008 9:18 am)

Why does every one think that we are all in this crisis right now? Just because the talking heads say it every day does not make it true.
 
Has anybody here had to personally change there life style drastically due to the "crisis"?
 
Here where I live the news had a big thing how TN home sales are at there lowest point in 3 years.
 
What the meat heads fail to mention is that 2005 and 2006 were record years in the state and that 2007 was the third best year ever. But to report that would not be sexy and have no wow factor.
 
Don't look at the current market as a crisis, look at it as a opportunity. An opportunity to acquire some investment property.
 
The only people it are a crisis for are the people who took out loans they could not afford, for the rest of us it just means that it is a buyers market and we may not want to sell for the next 6 months.
 
Any one who thought the housing market would continue to climb at the rate it has been was fooling themselves anyhow.
 
My owner told us this morning that the news is going to be talking about recessions and car sales falling in 08. he then pointed out that we Ford people have been in a recession since 01 anyhow so we are ready for it, and it will do nothing but benefit us because whenever this happens the manufacture panics and puts on crazy incentives.
 
He went on to talk about how in this day in age the people hit hardest by the recessions are not the target demographic.
 
"Imports are superior"
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