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#92 of 3943 Toyota Volta Hybrid Coupe by usbseawolf2000 Feb 28, 2004 (6:18 pm)
408hp 4WD, 0-60 in 4 secs and 220 MPG!!   http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_cod- - e=autoshows&loc_code=&content_code=04700872   Another example of hybrid advantage by escaping traditional ICE only trade-off boundry. This car is tuned for maximum performance using exotic materials but using HSD (3.3L V6) that will be used in Highlander Hybrid.   BTW, I am open to the possibility of marketing hype.   Dennis NYCLP4
#93 of 3943 Correction by usbseawolf2000 Feb 28, 2004 (6:27 pm)
Autoweek probably has a typo. Another site said 700 kms with 52 liters gasoline. That comes out to 31.7 MPG. It is still amazing.   Dennis NYCLP4
#94 of 3943 orders, availability by carguy1234 Mar 14, 2004 (4:25 pm)
My closest Toyota dealer is taking pre-orders for '05 Highlander Hybrids. They are telling me Jan/Feb '05 delivery.   Anybody else getting a different story (like an earlier delivery date than this)?   Thanks
#95 of 3943 re: orders, availability by dgrayson Mar 15, 2004 (1:48 pm)
I was even told by a dealer in Chicago that they are now being told April. Also trying to contact about 20 dealers in area. Only one is willing to deal at all below MSRP because of the high demand.
#96 of 3943 dgrayson by jchan2 Mar 15, 2004 (3:48 pm)
if you want a Highlander Hybrid below MSRP, stick with that one dealer that was willing to deal. Come later in the year, the dealers will be swamped.
#97 of 3943 Do the math by commonsense Mar 27, 2004 (3:57 pm)
The noble idea of saving an environment does not come cheap. Using less gas means paying less money (duh!), but buying the Hybrid SUV today involves forking out several thousands dollars, which virtually nullifies the savings. Paying less for gas would not translate into ANY financial savings over at least 5-7 yrs. The following example uses family-oriented people averaging roughly 12,000 mi per yr, or 1000 mi per month, who do not use their cars for businesses where one requires much greater utilization of their vehicles: - 6 cyl 2004 Highlander gets about 20 mpg (18 cty/24 hwy) needing 50 gallons of gas; total monthly cost of gas at $1.90/gallon is $95; - 6 cyl 2005 Hybrid should get 28 mpg; therefore 1,000 mi will cost $65 given prior parameters; - monthly saving of $30 accumulate into $360 saved per year; - with the trend to change cars every 5-7 yrs or when warranty expires, one could save $1800 to $2520; - this falls short of $3K to $5K to ?K more one should pay up front to buy the Hybrid; - this situation changes for the better, however, when gas approaches $5/gallon.   So, unless the difference in price is minimal measuring hundreds of dollars and not thousands, or the price of gas is European-like, it doesn't make financial sense to buy Hybrid SUV today. The "green" reasons (saving the planet, cleaner air, etc.) may be more prevalent in the first years of hybrid-mania.   But is it really technology itself that is more expensive, or is it politically motivated price gouging to continue pushing toward traditional gas-guzzlers to keep oil industry happy? I can hear the ecstatic slogans when "revolutionary" hybrid Suburbans and Excursions start getting 20 mpg as opposed to today's <15, and costing twice as much.
#98 of 3943 Re: Do the math by john1701a Mar 27, 2004 (5:40 pm)
> it doesn't make financial sense to buy Hybrid SUV today   It doesn't make financial sense to buy Traditional SUV either.   JOHN
#99 of 3943 Re: Do the math by usbseawolf2000 Mar 27, 2004 (8:22 pm)
How much values do you put on the following HSD features?   - Smooth acceleration, no jerking during shifting (Smoother than 6 speeds) - Instant power response, no delay from downshiftings (Within milliseconds) - More torque and horse power than a regular Highlander - Total silence at the stop lights - Electric heater that produces heat faster - HOV lane access in some states - Many more (Feel free to add)   Obviously, you were not aware of many other HSD benefits and calculated only the fuel saving.   Dennis

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