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Atkinson Cycle by samalter
Feb 23, 2004 (8:38 pm)
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First of all, thanks to everyone who have given their time and knowledge to this board.
It's been a very useful resource to better understanding what I might expect when I order my Highlander.
 
Does anyone know whether the Hybrid Highlander will use an Atkinson cycle engine? It's listed as a selling point to Toyota's Synergy Drive in the '04 Prius, and since the hybrid Escape will also be using one, it might be a nice advantage.
 
http://www.toyota.com/about/tomorrow/ads/hsd.html
 
I for one would welcome the idea of sacrificing some power to favor efficiency on an already supercharged V-6.
If it were the case it might also help to explain the surprisingly high "significantly better than 27.6 combined MPG" that's been touted.
 
Thanks again.
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Re: Atkinson Cycle by usbseawolf2000
Feb 24, 2004 (3:02 pm)
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>> Does anyone know whether the Hybrid Highlander will use an Atkinson cycle engine?
 
Answer: Yes.
 
I have not seen Toyota revealing it for a fact yet. But reasonings from the understanding of HSD imply so.
 
>> I for one would welcome the idea of sacrificing some power to favor efficiency on an already supercharged V-6.
 
With Hybrid Highlander, you don't sacrifice power. You'll gain power and efficiency with HSD technology. It is true that Akinson cycle will make less mechanical(engine) power than Otto cycle Highlander. Hybrid Highlander will have electric super charged power advantage. 120KW (161hp) motor in the front and 4WD-i version will have 50KW (67hp) motor in the back. Electric power is what you want. High torque instant delivery. Hybrid Highlander is suppose to be faster with 0-60 about 8.5 sec.
 
Dennis
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No redesign of 2005 HL by ssachnoff
Feb 25, 2004 (2:34 pm)
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The vehicle I saw displayed at the Chicago auto show was substantially the same as the 2004 HL. The rep I asked about any design changes told me just the back lights, a little curvature in the body lines and the grill cover.
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Toyota Volta Hybrid Coupe by usbseawolf2000
Feb 28, 2004 (6:18 pm)
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408hp 4WD, 0-60 in 4 secs and 220 MPG!!
 
http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_cod- - e=autoshows&loc_code=&content_code=04700872
 
Another example of hybrid advantage by escaping traditional ICE only trade-off boundry. This car is tuned for maximum performance using exotic materials but using HSD (3.3L V6) that will be used in Highlander Hybrid.
 
BTW, I am open to the possibility of marketing hype.
 
Dennis
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Correction by usbseawolf2000
Feb 28, 2004 (6:27 pm)
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Autoweek probably has a typo. Another site said 700 kms with 52 liters gasoline. That comes out to 31.7 MPG. It is still amazing.
 
Dennis
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orders, availability by carguy1234
Mar 14, 2004 (4:25 pm)
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My closest Toyota dealer is taking pre-orders for '05 Highlander Hybrids. They are telling me Jan/Feb '05 delivery.
 
Anybody else getting a different story (like an earlier delivery date than this)?
 
Thanks
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re: orders, availability by dgrayson
Mar 15, 2004 (1:48 pm)
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I was even told by a dealer in Chicago that they are now being told April. Also trying to contact about 20 dealers in area. Only one is willing to deal at all below MSRP because of the high demand.
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dgrayson by jchan2
Mar 15, 2004 (3:48 pm)
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if you want a Highlander Hybrid below MSRP, stick with that one dealer that was willing to deal. Come later in the year, the dealers will be swamped.
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Do the math by commonsense
Mar 27, 2004 (3:57 pm)
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The noble idea of saving an environment does not come cheap. Using less gas means paying less money (duh!), but buying the Hybrid SUV today involves forking out several thousands dollars, which virtually nullifies the savings. Paying less for gas would not translate into ANY financial savings over at least 5-7 yrs.
The following example uses family-oriented people averaging roughly 12,000 mi per yr, or 1000 mi per month, who do not use their cars for businesses where one requires much greater utilization of their vehicles:
- 6 cyl 2004 Highlander gets about 20 mpg (18 cty/24 hwy) needing 50 gallons of gas; total monthly cost of gas at $1.90/gallon is $95;
- 6 cyl 2005 Hybrid should get 28 mpg; therefore 1,000 mi will cost $65 given prior parameters;
- monthly saving of $30 accumulate into $360 saved per year;
- with the trend to change cars every 5-7 yrs or when warranty expires, one could save $1800 to $2520;
- this falls short of $3K to $5K to ?K more one should pay up front to buy the Hybrid;
- this situation changes for the better, however, when gas approaches $5/gallon.
 
So, unless the difference in price is minimal measuring hundreds of dollars and not thousands, or the price of gas is European-like, it doesn't make financial sense to buy Hybrid SUV today. The "green" reasons (saving the planet, cleaner air, etc.) may be more prevalent in the first years of hybrid-mania.
 
But is it really technology itself that is more expensive, or is it politically motivated price gouging to continue pushing toward traditional gas-guzzlers to keep oil industry happy? I can hear the ecstatic slogans when "revolutionary" hybrid Suburbans and Excursions start getting 20 mpg as opposed to today's <15, and costing twice as much.
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Re: Do the math by john1701a
Mar 27, 2004 (5:40 pm)
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> it doesn't make financial sense to buy Hybrid SUV today
 
It doesn't make financial sense to buy Traditional SUV either.
 
JOHN

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