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Re: salesmanship [monte8] by srandyt
Feb 10, 2008 (9:18 am)
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Replying to: monte8 (Jan 21, 2008 9:13 pm)

". . . What are the consequences of larger wheels (19 vs 17): Obviously it gives one inch extra clearance, which could be good sometime. . ."
 
It is possible the "one inch clearance" is referring to the inner wheel, not the tire diameter. This would give more cooling airflow to the rear motors.
 
I agree about the camera. I sure wish I had one on my Tacoma so I wouldn't have to get in and out so many times when I hook up my trailer.
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HH and snow by stanwagon
Feb 10, 2008 (1:48 pm)
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We are having very above average snow year here in the Colo mts and so far the HH is behaving well. Not quite as good as the 1994 Explorer with its low range, but it has been fine in very heavy snow. The real test will come this summer on some of the rough roads to trailheads... the power is there, and the clearance is probably the equal of the Ford, but will the lack of gearing keep me away from places I am used to getting to? We'll see,
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Re: HH and snow [stanwagon] by volkov
Feb 11, 2008 (1:11 pm)
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Replying to: stanwagon (Feb 10, 2008 1:48 pm)

We are in Northern British Columbia with plenty of snow and very cold temps. Do you have any experience or idea yet how much of a mileage hit you are seeing in sub-zero temps? We usually reckon on about 25-30% drop in mileage for our ICE vehicles during the 3 heavy months Dec-Feb. Is the HIHY comparable or worse?
FWIW we will be using the new vehicle almost exclusively in short to medium haul city driving.
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MPG in cold weather by stanwagon
Feb 11, 2008 (1:28 pm)
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I have only had the vehicle in the winter, but I have experience with the Prius for 3+ years now. In summer, Prius gets 50 mph no problem. In winter it gets 40, except when I am working in St Paul, Minnesota, and driving just 2.5 miles to work each way. Then the mileage takes a big hit because of the short hops. 32-35 mpg is typical for Dec. in St Paul (unless we go somewhere on a longer trip). I imagine the HH willl be the same, percentage wise. Right now I am getting 24, but I try to use it only on snowy days. I believe it will get 30 in the summer.
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Re: MPG in cold weather [stanwagon] by volkov
Feb 12, 2008 (11:07 am)
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Replying to: stanwagon (Feb 11, 2008 1:28 pm)

So do the HY's not do well with short drives? My understanding was that short distance city driving is their forte. Am I wrong on this, or is it simply an issue of short trips are always bad for mileage - ICE or HY? Were you using a block heater? I've read that can significantly improve performance of the HY.
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Re: MPG in cold weather [volkov] by kdhspyder
Feb 12, 2008 (11:47 am)
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Replying to: volkov (Feb 12, 2008 11:07 am)

Yes short trips are bad for all ICE vehicles. Hybrids are primarily ICE vehicles. Hybrids do very well when the entire vehicle ( ICE, cabin, catalytic converter ) are at optimal operating temperatures. This allows the ICE to shutdown or shut off for periods of time. The battery and motor can then power the vehicle alone. But the ICE has to get everything up to temp first.
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Fuel Gauge and Cruising Range by p38light
Feb 12, 2008 (1:12 pm)
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Why is that the Fuel Gauge and Cruising Range move more slowly from full to half then they do from half to empty or zero? I've noticed this on several cars I have owned, both Toyota and domestics.
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Re: MPG in cold weather [kdhspyder] by wwest
Feb 12, 2008 (6:59 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Feb 12, 2008 11:47 am)

Toyota hybrids are designed to get really GREAT FE in city stop and go traffic in comparison to "normal" ICE vehicles.
 
If there is no opportunity to recover energy "stored" in the mass of the vehicle via it being in motion then the Toyota Hybrid synergy drive system has very little advantage. Energy recovery via regenerative braking occurs only during coastdown and braking periods. For mostly freeway, primarily cruising at a set speed, you would be better off with a non-hybrid vehicle.
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Re: MPG in cold weather [wwest] by kdhspyder
Feb 13, 2008 (8:37 am)
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Replying to: wwest (Feb 12, 2008 6:59 pm)

Your last statement is inaccurate for two reasons.
 
The HSD system offers the Toyota models the opportunity to use the more efficient Atkinson cycle while cruising on the highway.
In addition while highway driving is normally at a constant high speed it is not uniformly an accelerating speed. There are periods of highway driving during deceleration or during lessened load on the ICE that the battery/e-motor assists the ICE and thereby saves fuel.
 
The proof is that the Prius is more efficient on the highway than both the Corolla and the Camry.
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Re: MPG in cold weather [kdhspyder] by wwest
Feb 13, 2008 (9:27 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Feb 13, 2008 8:37 am)

But the Atkinson cycle engine is not unique to the THSD concept, and not used at all in the V6 THSD versions. It is also used in the Millenia S for the FE advantage but upgraded to Miller cycle via the use of an SC.
 
Yes, on the hwy the THSD will often use the electrics for BOOST for even the slightest level of acceleration. But then the battery must be recharged via the ICE and that increases the loss factor.
 
I suspect that if a switch were provided wherein the driver could choose to live with slower "ICE only" acceleration on the hwy the hwy FE would improve dramatically.

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