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Toyota Highlander Hybrid, Hybrid Cars, SUV
#3419 of 4026 Toyota Unveils Turbocharged Highlander Hybrid
Feb 21, 2007 (11:39 pm)
Toyota must have "heard" you loud and clear! It is unveiling an experimental turbocharged highlander hybrid that puts out 305 hybrid net power. it is unclear if the ICE is an I4 but if they do some or all of what you have been advocating, we will be getting high performance for the same or better MPG numbers. The following link is where I saw the article.
http://www.toyota.com/html/hybridsynergyview/2007/winter/concept.html?url=readmo- - - re
I have never been one for speed but our HH has really got me hooked on its performance. It kills our V8 Chevy hands down in terms of acceleration, comfort and just pure driving joy. The '08 HH is attractive but I will wait for this turbocharge version. Then I will take it to Nevada or AZ where there is open road with few cars and let her rip!
#3420 of 4026 Re: Rattle [newski3]
Feb 22, 2007 (5:00 am)
I have a 2006 HH and have the same noise I also recommend if you can just leave the center armrest in the down position. I also have a annoying rattle sometimes from the passenger seatbelt
#3421 of 4026 Re: poor mileage [rag]
Feb 22, 2007 (6:48 am)
I lived in and round NYC for 30+ years, but it was before the time of the hybrids. I normally had a 90 min commute to lower Manhattan every day.
Just for kicks I tried to duplicate what would have been a 'typical' commute in the past but using my Prius now. It was interesting.
This would be with a fully warmed up vehicle
Heavy but moving traffic down I95 to the Bruckner to the Triboro... ~50 mpg
Triboro to the FDR and down the FDR to 71st moving, but very slowly, with some stoppages, at 10-25 mph... 60-65 mpg
ZigZagging across town from York down to 7th and 56th, catching every crosstown light... 23-30 mpg
Moving steadily downtown along 7th to the Holland Tunnel at about 20 mpg... 65-85 mpg
This is about what I would have hoped for excepted I was pretty surprised about the very low values zigzaging across town from stop light to stop light.
Also I notice that after a year you have about 8000 miles on yours meaning you have a lot of shortish trips of 10-15 min.
So the combination of short trips ( likely ), stop and go driving and winter weather could drive your personal fuel economy from say 28 mpg where it should be to the high teens.
Here are some factors that effect your personal FE results:
Factors affecting your FE ( and everyone else's also, btw ) in decending order of importance...
1) Towing anything is a huge penalty possibly as much as a 50% reduction in FE
2) Lots of weight in the vehicle, passengers cargo etc. ( EPA tests are done empty ) deduct up to 20% from your 'Norm'
3) Short trips under 10 min - deduct 20% from your 'Norm'
4) Snow, Rain, sleet - deduct 15%
5) Strong head wind - deduct 10%
6) Cold weather - deduct 5 - 10%
7) High speed driving 0ver 70 mph - deduct 5 - 10%
8) Many starts from a dead stop ( going from stop sign to stop sign to stop sign ) - deduct 5 - 10%
9) Terrain - fortunately 'what goes up..' usually this balances out on a RT
10) Winter fuel - deduct 2 - 5%
11) Low tire pressure - ? How low
Now these are cumulative, so short trips with a lot of stops ( -20% )( -5% ) in winter ( -7% ) on slick pavement ( -15% ) can result in as much as a 40 - 50% loss from your personal 'Norm'.
I'd ignore the mechanics advice and go to the EPA's website or Toyota's website for tips. Most mechanics know how to rebuild and do the maintenance on a vehicle but they have very little information on how one, especially the hybrid system, operates.
#3422 of 4026 Re: Toyota Unveils Turbocharged Highlander Hybrid [cdptrap]
Feb 22, 2007 (2:10 pm)
"..The Power Trip begins..."
Could that statement mean anything other than to attract the "boy-racer" or people with "boy-racer" mentalities?
Doesn't the GS hybrid and the upcoming LS hybrid alreadly address that market segment quite adequately??
#3423 of 4026 Re: Toyota Unveils Turbocharged Highlander Hybrid [wwest]
Feb 22, 2007 (4:03 pm)
Turbocharger can often add 50% (or more??) power to an engine, so hopefully this 305-hp beast is an I4 Hybrid that puts out a mere 200-hp and the rest is turbocharger work. That will create a "working truck" capable of towing 10,000 lbs but also gets really great MPG, like may be 35 miles per gallon in real driving. We can use a HH that can tow 10K lbs on our ranch.
I would also love to see this in a Tundra type full size pick-up too. It will replace our gas-engine V8 and let us do all our ranch work like towing heavy trailers. From a 10-mpg Chevy V8 to a 35-MPG Hybrid truck, that will be really something.
We can always hope......
#3424 of 4026 Tax Credits -- Georgia Low Emission
Feb 28, 2007 (10:00 am)
The Georgia Department of Natural Resources has deemed that hybrids are not "low emission" vehicles because they are hybrids. They only deem vehicles using alternative fuels to be low emission.
Does any data exist supporting that the Highlander is a low emission vehicle, despite being a hibrid?
The effect of this determination is to prevent Georgia residents owning any hybrid from claiming a "Low Emission Vehicle" tax credit against their state income taxes.
The law creating this credit only requires that it be a "low emissions" vehicle.
Maybe this is also an issue in some other states.
#3425 of 4026 Re: Tax Credits -- Georgia Low Emission [dunwoody]
Feb 28, 2007 (11:06 am)
Nationally, the Highlander Hybrid meets Federal standard Tier 2/Bin 3. The CA version is classified SULEV - "Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle" by CA and EPA.
It is classified by the US EPA as a "US EPA Certified SmartWay" automobile.
Its non-CA emission is rated 9/10 (2WD) or 8/10 (4WD) outside of CA.
Please check the following EPA link:
For comparison, the Prius also meets Federal Tier 2/Bin 3 standard. It is rated AT-PZEV in California, an extremely low-emission vehicle.
I did not bother reading the Georgia legislation because it smells like state politics is trumping science. There is a movement to kill two birds with one stone and that is to save American car manufacturers by emphasizing E85 based on corn while discouraging the public from buying gas-electric hybrids from "foreign" manufacturers.
I have been following this "movement" for about a year since GM, Ford and Chrysler got in trouble selling giant gas guzzlers. Just like they bought and killed the transit system in southern CA, they are now trying to muscle in by appealing to patriotism and E85.
Georgia's agricultural interests are increasing corn production to meet E85 demand. I am too lazy to do more research on this because the politics is very clear. The following link is an easy result from a simple Google search:
I feel bad for Georgia residents who want to reap the benefits of gas-electric hybrid. In such cases, the simplest way is vote with your pocket. If you cannot use a smaller car and must get a car the size of a Highlander, then there is no reason not to buy the HiHy, tax-break or not. Last I looked, CA is still the leader in energy conservation and emission control and management . May be Georgia's resource dept should come talk to our CA State Air Quality board?
#3426 of 4026 Re: Tax Credits -- Georgia Low Emission [cdptrap]
Feb 28, 2007 (1:20 pm)
I am not against E85 and hope to see a day when there is a flexfuel-electric HH. Unfortunately, there are issues one has to address before making a policy decision. The following is an article worth reading because it talks about E85 toxicity that we must addres.
We in California get a lot of smog and we are very aware of emission issues. I believe that the best interim solution (before hydrogen) is actually a plug-in gas-electric hybrid. If the new 2009 or 2010 HH can run for 30 miles at 55-MPH or 60-MPH on an electric charge, and CA then pioneers a hybrid slow lane that allows hybrids to run at 55 to 60 on our freeways, we will significantly cut emission for at least the SF Bay region.
Will I buy a gas-electric HH or a flexfuel HH? There is no comparison, the gas-electric hybrid always wins. Will I buy a flexfuel-electric HH over a gas-electric HH? No, not until the toxin issue is resolved. What is the point of introducing yet more toxic gas into the air we breath when we already have benzene to deal with?
There is much to read and learn regarding future of E85 and how it may help cars like the HH. Georgia is either not yet catching up to the current trend or is catering only to economic and political interests in the state. I would love to see Georgia publish its definition of "low emission" and a clear car by car study that compares emission level.
#3427 of 4026 Buying in NYC area next 2 months
Mar 04, 2007 (8:41 am)
Planning to buy a HH in next two months and would like some info on others buying experiences within 100 miles of NYC.
If there is a different thread for this, please let me know.