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#2645 of 4026 GM Saturn Vue vs HH Test
Mar 14, 2006 (12:59 pm)
GM commissioned a driving test and the result is in a little table embedded in the following article. It is very interesting how the HH did in this 500-mile test drive.
There are those who tout the Vue Greenline and those who think it is not even a hybrid because it is not a "Full-Hybrid" like the HH.
In my view, GM is to be commended for putting together something like the Vue so quickly. So it is not difficult as GM had once claimed, it can get good mileage as GM had once denied and it can be done cheaply too unlike what GM once claimed. Because of Toyota, suddenly GM is eating its own words by its own hands. Good.
For the HH, the test is a good endorsement. A car that tows 3500-lbs, full-hybrid, weighs 500-lbs more than the Vue, has more safety features, more room, runs like a V8, still *BEATS* the smaller Vue in gas mileage in GM's own test. Very nice.....
#2646 of 4026 Re: GM Saturn Vue vs HH Test [cdptrap]
Mar 14, 2006 (9:19 pm)
*BEATS* the smaller Vue in gas mileage in GM's own test. Very nice
If the the VUE hybrid gets 29.7 in real driving. The HH will Not beat it. the average is more like 25 MPG for the HH. Then add the $12,000 premium to the HH. The HH is only slightly bigger with a space barely big enough in the back for very small children. Same wheelbase, same towing 3500#, more cargo space in the VUE not taken up with useless seats. I don't think the HH can compete. Anyone willing to spend 40 grand on the HH will get a luxury SUV like the MDX or RX330. Or if they want a REAL SUV they will buy the new Tahoe. It is selling by a very large margin over any of the wannabe SUVs. Check the Tahoe out. You will want to trade in that HH.
Mar 15, 2006 (6:58 am)
A financial magazine reporter aims to interview someone who has purchased a hybrid and would like to discuss why you chose buying a hybrid and if you're happy with your vehicle. Please respond to ctalatiedmunds.com before Wednesday, March 15 at 5 PM EST with your daytime/weekend contact info.
#2649 of 4026 Re: Expected FE from the HSD system [kdhspyder]
Mar 15, 2006 (11:29 am)
Your "facts" are very, very misleading. By not qualifying your statement you are essentially lying.
I have a HH and, yes, I get FE values in the 30s...but only after I've been driving for at least 20 minutes and the weather is good and I don't stop for more than 30 seconds at a time and when my commute is down hill both ways...blah blah blah.
So your estimates are a bunch of crap. By saying what you're saying, you're ignoring the fact that we HAVE TO waste a ton of fuel driving those first 20 minutes before you get to those numbers. And the weather is not always going to be good and sometimes you have to stop.
EPA estimates are never "real world" but the estimates on the HH are totally misleading and your post only reinforces the lie. EPA estimating methods were developed years ago for ICE vehicles. I'm guessing they have not changed them for estimating hybrid vehicle performance. After the first couple of class-actions get settled, it'll become public that the Toyota's of the world knew what they were doing and specifically designed their vehicles to perform well on the test without regard to real-world results.
The only person who's going to get mileage that even resembles your numbers is the guy who commutes in stop & go highway traffic for more than an hour each way. So, if you live in Barrington and work in Chicago, this is the car for you. Otherwise, don't believe what the dealer (or what kdhspyder) tells you.
Mar 15, 2006 (11:57 am)
You're going to run into things that are posted that you may not agree with from time to time around here. It's OK to disagree, but please avoid making this a perosnal dispute.
#2651 of 4026 Re: Expected FE from the HSD system [worsthhdriver]
Mar 15, 2006 (1:03 pm)
Fact: There cant be any class action suits. You can't sue the Govt about EPA numbers.
Fact: Short trips kill FE for everyone, hybrid or ICE.
Fact: The most important input to achieving better fuel economy is... the driver. The best will do better than the worst.
Fact: Cold weather, wind, rain, snow is bad for all vehicles' FE.
Fact: I can get 25-27 Hwy or 30+ City in your HH.... given EPA test criteria... but you knew that already.
#2652 of 4026 Re: GM Saturn Vue vs HH Test [gagrice]
Mar 15, 2006 (1:15 pm)
Hopefully, the Vue gets 30, 32, 35 and people start buying. That will be fantastic.
The Vue and the HH are not quite in the same class.
The Vue is a lower-tech, small engine (4 cyl?) car meant for saving gas. The HH is a hi-tech higher end Toyota statement car. The Vue says buy me, I get great mileage and I am cheaper than the other hybrid SUV's. The HH is saying look at me, besides all the near-Lexus like comfort and advance safety software, I also give you near-V8 power but not the 15-MPG V8 mileage. That difference also accounts for the price difference.
For people who care only about gas mileage, Vue and Escape are good choices. For people who want more, the HH creeps into the picture.
It probably surprised GM that the HH did better than the Vue in their own test but the right marketing approach can take care of that.
I am waiting for GM to create a Tahoe that gets 30-MPG or a hunky Silverado that can tow 5-tons (hay, horse trailers, tractors) and is rated SULEV or better and still gets 25-mpg . Now that will be something to behold on our ranch.