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You are in the Toyota Highlander Hybrid
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Toyota Highlander Hybrid, Hybrid Cars, SUV
#2251 of 4026 Re: 2007 Highlander Hybrid [kdhspyder]
Dec 07, 2005 (2:36 pm)
I checked Toyota site and '06 RAV4 is getting an optional ICE V6 that puts out 269-hp. That means the RAV4 will most likely be as big as the Highlander.
I can see the HH remaining at 268-hp but becoming bigger, closer to a Sienna. THat will be very nice. My wife is already considering trading our HH for the larger '07 version, I should never have told her about this forum . I will prefer to wait for a real on-/off-road capable hybrid 4x4 w/ locking diff and solid axle or off-road suspension.
It does seem strange that car companies are still selling "horse-power". Up to a certain point, physics takes over and handling becomes more important than raw power. They should instead pay attention to features such as better handling, precision steering, better suspension, more safety features. No use getting gerzillion horses when all it can do is drive straight.
#2259 of 4026 bluewater's campaign against toyota
Dec 08, 2005 (5:58 am)
FYI, I wrote this to the staff and board of a group that's critical of Toyota and the HH:
We are a nonprofit working with Toyota and we're shocked and saddened by your unfair and counterproductive campaign against them.
Ironically, just this week, Toyota was - again - given a 100% ranking in Human Rights Campaign's Corporate Equality Index. By any rational and objective index of social and environmental responsibility Toyota is first among automakers.
In your critique, you make only passing reference to Toyota's landmark Prius (which has changed the automobile forever). Their overall emissions and mpg are far superior to other companies . . . so why are you picking on them?
Because of the Highlander Hybrid, you say.
First, I hope you'll recognize, some of us actually need SUVs and 4X4s. Much of the health (and even wildlife) work in underserved or remote areas requires these cars and no company has so consistently built reliable and rugged vehicles like Toyota. And, it should be remembered that it is wasteful and polluting to make new vehicles and scrap old ones so the longer a vehicle lasts and is reliable (without polluting) is an extremely important environmental measure.
I'm not defending Americans' use of these vehicles as status symbols but you can't chastise a for-profit company for selling vehicles based on customer demand (especially when everyone else is selling them). Toyota offers a range of vehicles from the very best (Prius) to nothing near the worst (the Hummer). So, why don't you have the courage to deal with the real problem (your American audience!) instead of scapegoating a Japanese man as a sheep in wolf's clothing (which I find racist)? You should be telling Americans to give up SUVs and start buying the Prius.
We own a Highlander Hybrid (HH) and first I'll say that the New York Times simply got it wrong about the HH’s mpg. Why would you use their numbers instead of the official US gov't's EPA rating, which states the HH gets 33MPG? The EPA numbers are the benchmark by which all cars are judged equally. The HH has the best EPA numbers of any SUV and any 7-seater.
In reality, the HH's mpg is much better than the NYT tested. I and many other drivers are able to get 30mpg or close to it in this vehicle. If you care to join me, I'll show you similar results in our HH. But don’t take my word for it, user forums and blogs are littered with similar and even better results. Here's one that shows someone got 47.1 mpg in a HH.
Even 25mpg for 7 passengers is better than a Prius because you'd need two Prius to move that many people . . . never mind that the HH can move more equipment and can 4X4.
But why would you bring such scathing criticism to this vehicle, when even its worst critics don't pretend it gets less than 20mpg? There are plenty of SUVs that get much less than 10mpg!
By picking on the best and most responsible manufacturer, you're telling Toyota to stop trying so hard to be responsible AND you’re telling all the laggards in Detroit not to bother stopping production of the gas-guzzling Hummers, Expeditions and Escapades . . . that Americans love.
You don't give credit to the company that leads the industry in every measure of social and environmental responsibility. Instead, you pick on them.
You may think that you're going to change Toyota but you're really going to discourage all the other companies from even trying to be as good as Toyota.
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