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Toyota Highlander Hybrid, Hybrid Cars, SUV
#1076 of 4026 Re: Federal tax credit [otis1]
Jul 29, 2005 (2:43 pm)
I went to the congressional website and read the bill. The bill says the credit is based on the comparison with a 2002 model. If you compare the Prius to a 2002 Camry, for example, it would be a big credit. However, there was a Prius in 2002, and I think that would be the comparison vehicle. But I'm not a lawyer (thank goodness)!
I think the article was not an official Toyota article, but rather a news article about Toyota.
#1077 of 4026 More info - Federal tax credit [stevedebi]
Jul 29, 2005 (3:16 pm)
Having re-read the clauses, it looks like the Prius would qualify for a $1600 credit. The HCH would qualify for $1200. It's hard to say on the Prius because the calculation is based on vehicle weight, an the Prius weight is in between two values. The HCH is almost exactly on a value.
However,there are strict limits on how many vehicles can have the credit applied. The first 60,000 vehicles get the full credit. The full credit then goes on for one calendar quarter. Then for the next two quarters, the credit is 50%, for the next two quarters after that, the credit is 25%. After that - no more tax credit.
Since Toyota sells other Hybrids, I think it would be "first come, first served". But it looks like there is a chance that Toyota could have the incentive at least throughout 2006, if they take 3 quarters to sell 60,000 vehicles. Then the incentives would go down in 2007, and be non-exist (for Toyota) after that.
Note that this means that Ford and Honda will have the incentives for quite a while, due to their lower volume. GM may be having the incentives until 2009, when they end (not that they are worth as much, since their hybrid truck isn't that much better in fuel economy).
So, get 'em while you can. Only Congress could have come up with something as lame-brained as this...
Jul 29, 2005 (4:31 pm)
Due to popular demand, Sunnyvale Toyota is holding another Prius/Highlander Hybrid workshop for anybody interested in this technology. Beside their technical staff, they will have Mario Jaime, TMS Technical Supervisor from Toyota there. I have attended two workshops so far, and both where very informative. They setup their service department with chairs, cars, and demo parts (such as batteries, planetary gears, electronics’ etc). After a short intro, it is mostly questions and answers, with plenty of time left for one on one discussion with the technical staff and a detailed look into the actual hardware. Since they also provide a small snack and drinks, and seating is limited, they would like you to drop them an email if you want to attend.
I am personally hoping to get more info on the actual workings of the Hybrid Highlander 4WD system as well as long-term maintenance on my Prius (how do I know my HV battery is still OK?).
Prius/Highlander Hybrid workshop
Tuesday, August 9, 2005
6:30 PM-9:00 PM
898 West El Camino Real
Sunnyvale CA 94078
Stefanie at 408-716-1881
Urs and Brigitte Steiner
White 04 Prius BC with 29K
White 06 HH 4WD with 0.009K and loving both……
#1080 of 4026 40,000 Vehicle
Jul 30, 2005 (3:00 am)
I just priced the 4wd HH (not the limited model) and came up with ""Base Price Base $30,814 Retail $34,430
Selected Options $1,391 $1,770
Destination Charge $565 $565
Total Base $32,770 Retail $36,765
I am confused re: all the post saying its a 40K car?
PS, With a new model (ie radical design change vs current Highlanders), I bet 11 months out or so there will be some 'steals". Toyota will want to clear way for the 1st major re-deign in a very long time!
#1081 of 4026 Re: 40,000 Vehicle [mevande]
Jul 30, 2005 (7:14 am)
A couple of reasons-
1)$37000 becomes $40000 with TTL
2)Right now most dealers won't sell you that vehicle for $36,765.They will sell for what they say is MSRP,but it is actually MSRP+ the price of BS distributor+dealer add ons like"protection package-scotchgard,wax=$600" and pinstripes=$250 and all the other junk-sidesteps(aftermarket) that cost $600,or cheezy aftermarket leather to replace the "wears like iron cloth"=$1200.
The least expensive HH I have heard of anyone buying is $35600 for a base model 2wd.Before dealer add ons-but with a few factory add ons and delivery(which you might not want,but at least are decent items) it might have been $33500.Thanks.Charlie
PS If gas prices don't spike,maybe you will actually be able to get one "out the door" for $35000 someday.
#1082 of 4026 Brock Yates C & D column on Hybrid issues
Jul 30, 2005 (12:00 pm)
Just read Brock Yates column in Sept. 05 Car & Driver. He is writing about gas/electric hybrids and states: "a number of EMT and fire crews have announced that they will refuse to rescue victims trapped in such vehicles, openly fearing electrocution or fatal acid burns."
I just got a Hh and love everything about it. Yates column is a little unsettling. Thoughts, links, etc.
#1084 of 4026 Re: Brock Yates C & D column on Hybrid issues [hhva]
Jul 30, 2005 (5:50 pm)
Brock Yates has always been a FOS blowhard;now he is a FOS Blowhard approaching senility.Any-ANY- EMT crew that would refuse to rescue folks in such a situation would be fired!!Heck,a gasoline fire is much worse,and much more likely than electrocution or"an acid burn" from a Hybrid.He either made that up,or "drummed up" the quote(not attributed to anyone,I bet?) by talking to the EMT folks and priming them by saying"aren't you scared of the electricity or the batteries?".Gee,firemen regularily go in burning houses with 220 volts (and a hell of a lot of amps).Cars already have acid in the batteries!
Who are these crews that have"openly announced"?If they really had,why didn't he mention them?Typical BS with no attribution.
They will rescue folks trapped in vehicles with 25 gallons of gas,and a 1000 degree catcon,but not one with electricity and "extra batteries".
I'm not dead sure what Toyota has done to minimize the risk of "getting shocked",but I suspect they haven't just crossed their fingers.
I have read Yates for years-on and off-he is anti green because he thinks "those"folks are "out to get his sportscar" and "green types" are antiperformance.
"Regular" batteries can produce H2 in certain circumstances,and they can blow up.Charlie