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Chrysler Town and Country, Dodge Grand Caravan, Van
Mar 05, 2005 (9:40 pm)
The 2005 DC has definitely more noise at acceleration than the models before. Even though Chrysler claims that they are 16% quieter than the older models. I guess you'll not be able to notice that from one short test drive, but I'm driving both almost daily, so I see the difference.
And it's not only me, even Consumer Reports agrees to that. Let me just post you the words from the new April issue I just got from CR:
Chrysler Town & Country:
"...Interior flexibility got a boost with the introduction of the 2005 model, which has optional flat folding second- and third- row seats. This setup forced Chrysler to drop the AWD model. The minivan rides well enough with a light load and handles securely. Interior noise has become more pronounced. The 3.8-liter V6 isn't as smooth, quiet, or fuel-efficient as the engines in the Odyssey and Sienna..."
Dodge Grand Caravan:
...Our tested Grand Caravan was pleasant, but it's falling behind the competition. The optional flat-folding second- and third - row seats improve interior flexibility, but noise levels increased...."
It's not that I trust CR, they are VERY biased as seen in other boards (and I'll give you an example in a minute), but they are otherwise pleased with the DC vans, and always praised the quietness of the DC vans. Now all-of-a-sudden they complain about the increased noise?
BTW, both, Chrysler and Dodge vans are recommended by CR.
Anyway, Hans, the above message is for Chrysler to improve in the NEXT generation minivans (2007?). I know it's too bad they eliminated all the good stuff, but it's kind of too late to cry now, especially that they are still leader in sales (with rentals included, I know, but it doesn't matter). All we want now, Chrysler should take care and try to surpass the competition - if that is possible at all - and copy features and improve in all areas.
The interior of the DC vans is not that bad, but it's dated, too busy, and not clear and simple, it's way more confusing than it should be. I could give you many examples. Also I don't like the white background on the instrument cluster (gauges). True, the creamy light-blue background in the T&C Limited is quite nice, but the one in the LX and Dodge models are not pleasant at all. The Ford Freestar has much more attractive designed interior IMO. I don't like the interior design of the new Odyssey either. But I give them credit for the illuminated window controls - finally the first time for a Honda minivan.
Now a word about the CR April (car) issue. There are several new vehicles out there. Example: the Ford Five Hundred and Freestyle. When CR rates reliability, they need to have at-lease one year of information, so most new models aren't ranked, it just say "NEW", which means it's still too early to rate it. So most new models are rated "NEW". Even though the above models are more than 6 months out there on the market. On the other hand, the new Toyota Avalon, which is less than ONE month old, is already rated for excellent reliability and highly recommended. The same goes for the Honda Odyssey - it's just a few months out on the market, and it is already reliable, recommended, and even a "Best Pick"!
#507 of 1446 Upgrading Speakers???
Mar 06, 2005 (5:29 pm)
Has anyone upgraded their speakers? I checked on Crutchfield and I believe you need to cut off the existing connectors???? Seems more trouble than worth!
#508 of 1446 ....I don't like the white background on the instrument cluster (gauges).
Mar 06, 2005 (6:13 pm)
Agree. They are unpleasant in many daylight situations.
#509 of 1446 Future designs of Chrysler:
Mar 06, 2005 (6:39 pm)
Take a look here:
While Chrysler tries hard to bring stylish designs to their vehicle lineup, they will have a problem with the minivans.
"...The biggest challenge, however, may be a minivan redesign to update its dowdy image without alienating buyers who have made it one of Chrysler's best sellers. Creed has put Chrysler 300 lead designer Ralph Gilles on the job, but still recognizes what he faces.
"We will give people who own minivans," he said, "as much style as we can give them..."
#510 of 1446 Re: Future designs of Chrysler: [samnoe]
Mar 07, 2005 (5:13 am)
I hate to say "retro" since minivans have only been around for 20 years, but maybe it's time to go back to a boxier shape aka Honda style?? the one glaring thing from the CR report is while the DCX vans are same size as Honda/Toyota, the interior volume is much less...10 cubic feet less!!
#511 of 1446 Re: Hans [samnoe]
Mar 07, 2005 (6:07 am)
"Now a word about the CR April (car) issue. There are several new vehicles out there. Example: the Ford Five Hundred and Freestyle. When CR rates reliability, they need to have at-lease one year of information, so most new models aren't ranked, it just say "NEW", which means it's still too early to rate it. So most new models are rated "NEW". Even though the above models are more than 6 months out there on the market. On the other hand, the new Toyota Avalon, which is less than ONE month old, is already rated for excellent reliability and highly recommended. The same goes for the Honda Odyssey - it's just a few months out on the market, and it is already reliable, recommended, and even a "Best Pick"!"
I posted the same thing in the "minivan shopping" board last week.
mrblonde49, "Minivan Shopping" #413, 2 Mar 2005 10:17 am
It does seem a bit biased...
#512 of 1446 Re: Future designs of Chrysler: [dennisctc]
Mar 07, 2005 (5:14 pm)
Agree that boxier shape is more space efficient but I think the 2005 Odyssey exterior appearance is not as attractive as the 1999-2004.
I personally think the DC minivans are THE MOST ATTRACTIVE of any minivan except for the grille of the 2005 T&C that resembles the cheaper Voyager of earlier years. All DC needs to do is copy the better designed seating of the Odyssey, include the nice items formerly standard on DC minivans, and include a 5 speed AT.
CR measurement of interior volume is about as deceptive as the elusive WMD we were told about a couple of years ago.
CR uses an expandable rectangular area that measures the volume using the VOLUME of that inclosed area. In the real world, DC minivans have more cargo space in the area not inclosed within that mythical space that CR measures. When we travel, we can put bags between the middle seats and the sliding doors in the large area that is not included in CR's measurement.
#513 of 1446 Re: Future designs of Chrysler: [hansienna]
Mar 07, 2005 (5:35 pm)
Interior space is not deceptive, I can look in my father's Honda and see more space in the Honda, I can compare my DCX Van to my previous Venture and see more space in Chevy. The rear portion of the roof slopes down in my Caravan.
I think if you look at the Neon replacement, you'll see the direction of the Caravan styling for MY08!!
#514 of 1446 Re: Which minivan has THE most interior space? [dennisctc]
Mar 07, 2005 (7:48 pm)
The GC/T&C has THE MOST actual total interior space of the minivans...although the Odyssey has MORE CARGO space behind the 3rd row seat when the seats are in place or behind 2nd row if 3rd row folded into floor or removed.
Here are the actual numbers in cubic feet:
Caravan Grand Caravan Odyssey
Behind 3rd row 15.3......20 or 26.4.......38.4
Behind 2nd row 45.6.........54.2............91.1
Behind FT seats146.7..167.9or160.7....147.4
The Odyssey has THE most cargo space behind 3rd row or behind 2nd row BUT the GC has much more than the Odyssey if 2nd and 3rd row seats are removed (or all folded in GC with Stow-N-Go).
Consumer Reports does NOT provide accurate data on actual interior space due to their method of measuring only the space available with an expandable rectangle. Very few items of cargo consist of only one large box.
The Venture has less total interior space than either the Odyssey or GC and not much more than the Caravan or 2005 short wheel base T&C.
#515 of 1446 Re: Which minivan has THE most interior space? [hansienna]
Mar 09, 2005 (2:25 pm)
Why not count the approx 8 cubic ft with stow n go seats are out of the box?