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Re: 2005 T&C Squeak [gowmtribe] by frogger123
Feb 06, 2006 (9:43 pm)
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Replying to: gowmtribe (Nov 28, 2005 5:47 pm)

Had a similar squeak & I isolated to driver's side middle row seat front strut. Dealer found outside tube to be loose & turned it several times. Have not had squeak since.
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Re: 5W-20 vs. 5W-30... [shipo] by frogger123
Feb 06, 2006 (9:44 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Feb 06, 2006 9:08 pm)

What is the advantage to a thin 0W oil?
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Re: 5W-20 vs. 5W-30... [frogger123] by shipo
Feb 07, 2006 (4:10 am)
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Replying to: frogger123 (Feb 06, 2006 9:44 pm)

"What is the advantage to a thin 0W oil?"
 
0W oil flows better when cold meaning that the oil in your engine is already flowing before the engine has even started, even in frigid arctic conditions.
 
In the case of Mobil-1, their 0W oils meet the following specifications:
 
0W-30
- GM 6094M, GM 4718M (Corvette spec)
- Ford WSS-M2C929-A
- ILSAC GF-4
- API SM/CF
- ACEA A1/B1
 
0W-40
- Mercedes MB 229.5
- BMW Longlife 01
- Porsche Approval List 2002
- VW 502.00/505.00/503.01
- GM-LL-A-025 (gasoline)
- GM-LL-B-025 (diesel)
- ACEA A3, B3/B4
- API SM/CF1
 
This means that these two oils happen to have the most certifications of any other Mobil-1.
 
In theory, I doubt that 0W oils have much of an advantage beyond the cold start, however, due to the extra additive packages that Mobil puts in their 0Ws, they happen to be their best oils.
 
For our two DGCs, I use 0W-30 when I can find it, otherwise I use 5W-30, which by the way only carries the following certifications:
- GM 6094M, GM 4718M (Corvette spec)
- Ford WSS-M2C929-A
- ACEA A1/B1
- ILSAC GF-4 (API Certified - Starburst)
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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selling price for 2004 touring? by rutger3
Feb 07, 2006 (7:08 am)
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Need advice. I am selling in N.J., my 2004 Touring, white, 11,600 miles, excellent condition, power liftgate, power doors, trac control, clean title. On trade the dealer is offering $14,200. What would be a fair selling price if put in local paper? The depreciation rate is amazing on this van, orig msrp was $31k.
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Re: Could this be the 2007-8 Chrysler minivan? [marine2] by fish8
Feb 07, 2006 (8:02 am)
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Replying to: marine2 (Feb 05, 2006 2:04 pm)

I truely hope not!!!! That thing looks like a taller Dodge Magnum, which I REALLY DON'T LIKE. We will be keeping our 2005 T&C Touring for a long time, but if that is what the new minivans look like when it's time to trade, we will look at other vans for sure!!!!!!!!
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Re: Could this be the 2007-8 Chrysler minivan? [fish8] by shipo
Feb 07, 2006 (8:13 am)
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Replying to: fish8 (Feb 07, 2006 8:02 am)

Hmmm, I very much like the looks of both the current generation and previous generation DC minivans, which is a good thing because we have one of each. That having been said, I like the photo that might could well be the next generation. To me at least it looks like the current van with a Magnum roof line and the schnozzel of a Chrysler 300C (which isn't a bad thing as far as I'm concerned). All in all, I really like the picture.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Could this be the 2007-8 Chrysler minivan? [shipo] by marine2
Feb 07, 2006 (9:31 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Feb 07, 2006 8:13 am)

I sort of like it. What I really want to see is the inside. That is where Chrysler has been falling down.
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Re: 5W-20 vs. 5W-30... [shipo] by micweb
Feb 07, 2006 (11:25 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Feb 07, 2006 4:10 am)

I've been thinking about the Mobil 1 0-40 for my own minivan, with the 2.4 4 cylinder engine which I am afraid beats the heck out of its oil due to the demands of propelling a 2 ton minivan.
 
Mobil 1 0W-40 is a European spec formula which emphasizes engine protection and long oil life instead of maximum fuel economy, which is typical of most European spec oils (although you indicate it DOES pass the SAE "SM" requirement, which has at least some fuel economy - friction modifier - requirements).
 
One of the things I learned about this oil, when I had a couple of VW's that required it, is that it is formulated at the "thin" end of the 40 weight specification, so it is only a little thicker than a typical 30 weight oil, and should therefore have a neglible effect on mileage.
 
BTW, unless an oil is loaded up with unstable viscosity index improvers, which a full synthetic won't be, the important number for "warmed up" operations is the second number - don't get scared off by the "0" part of the multi-grade (or by the "5" in typical oils).
 
True, if you are buying a cheap dino oil (house brand Autozone, or Walmart's Supertech), then a 10-30 might hold its viscosity on the freeway in the desert better than a 5-30 from the same blender, and might be closer to "30" after 3,000-5,000 miles of driving have sheared down the viscoscity index improvers - but if you have full synthetic, those oild WILL stand up to heat better, hold their grade a lot longer, and seldom shear down to a thinner weight.
 
That's one of the reasons I think full synthetic oil changes are the way to go, and since Walmart offers them for about $30 including parts (the oil itself is $25-28 of that, depending on the current sale price for the oil), labor, and fluid top-offs, there's no real financial reason for shortchanging the quality of lubricants we run in our vehicles.
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Re: Could this be the 2007-8 Chrysler minivan? [marine2] by micweb
Feb 07, 2006 (11:29 am)
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Replying to: marine2 (Feb 07, 2006 9:31 am)

I saw the same picture of the supposed 2007-2008 minivan on another site, and on that site the poster admitted it had been composed in Photoshop. I think it's a better job than most enthusiast modifications (both in terms of Photoshop technique and having an eye for what works in design terms), but this is DEFINITELY not a spy photo of an actual "mule" car on the road.
 
On the other hand it could be a good guess - Chevy just made their minivans more "truck-like" in appearance and the manufacturers are, in general, desperate to "take back" the minivan from soccer moms (which is kind of silly, since soccer moms have moved on to SUV's anyway) and make them more "man friendly." (I'm not making this up, sadly.)
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Re: 5W-20 vs. 5W-30... [micweb] by shipo
Feb 07, 2006 (11:56 am)
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Replying to: micweb (Feb 07, 2006 11:25 am)

I used the Mobil-1 0W-40 in both of my BMWs, and even a couple of times in our vans. By all accounts, that stuff is pretty great oil, and while I cannot provide any anecdotal evidence either way, I can say that it is also fairly hard stuff to find. Back in the 1999-2002 time frame, the only place I was able to get it was Park Place motors in the Dallas area. In more recent times AutoZone has started carrying it, and *sometimes* I can even find it on the shelf, as such, I usually opt for 0W-30 or 5W-30 for our DGCs.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo

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