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Re: Could this be the 2007-8 Chrysler minivan? [dennisctc] by marine2
Feb 05, 2006 (4:20 pm)
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Replying to: dennisctc (Feb 05, 2006 2:17 pm)

Not really sure, but it very well could be. Notice the European or Australian plates?
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Re: 2005 Grand Caravan 3.8L Oil Consumption [marine2] by frogger123
Feb 05, 2006 (8:56 pm)
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Replying to: marine2 (Feb 03, 2006 11:33 pm)

The oil cap on the valve cover does state to use 5W20 however, the owners manual states to use 5W30 in the 3.8L engine. I choose to use 5W30. The dealer uses 10W30 and the original owner took the van to dealer for oil changes. Perhaps this is why I am consuming a quart of oil in 3000 miles. Perhaps the engine should have been broken in with 5W20 or 5W30 oil. Good luck with your van marine2!
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Re: 06 SXT 3.8L mileage [gctony] by frogger123
Feb 05, 2006 (9:12 pm)
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Replying to: gctony (Feb 04, 2006 9:45 pm)

I got my DGC when it had 15,400 miles on it so I cannot comment on the "after break-in" mileage. In addition, my mileage has remained stable & I cannot say it has improved. I currently have 24,000 miles on the van. Last summer when my 05 SXT 3.8L had 16,000 on it we took a trip from Montana to Sante Fe, NM. We averaged anywhere from 24 - 27 MPG. I find hills (especially if tranny downshifts), speed (above 70 MPH) & wind can really cut mileage. I am very pleased to say the least on my DGC's mileage. Even on winter gas in Montana I can average up to 22 - 24 MPG on the highway. On a fairly straight stretch driving 60 - 65 MPH at around 6,000 ft. in New Mexico, I averaged 30 - 31 MPG according to the computer. I have checked the computer by checking my mileage the old way. In town, I have been averaging 17 - 18 MPG. Again, I am pleased with the DGC's mileage.
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Re: 06 SXT 3.8L mileage [frogger123] by marine2
Feb 05, 2006 (10:36 pm)
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Replying to: frogger123 (Feb 05, 2006 9:12 pm)

Chrysler must have changed the manual sometime during the year frogger. On page 422 of mine,it says to use 5W20 on the 3.8 and 5W30 on the 2.4.
 
I was quite concerned using that light weight of oil in my van as I live in Phoenix and it can get up 120 in the summer. But the service tech said it was ok. Our 2004 Civic also says to use 5W20.
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Re: Could this be the 2007-8 Chrysler minivan? [marine2] by hansienna
Feb 06, 2006 (2:00 pm)
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Replying to: marine2 (Feb 05, 2006 2:04 pm)

WOW....I may have to trade my 2006 Sienna in on another Chrysler in a couple of years... Chrysler has THE most attractive exterior minivan styling. Sadly, the 2006 GC SXT interior is not as attractive as my lower priced 2002 T&C LX and some nice features of my 2002 T&C LX were deleted. Chrysler needs to add back all the nice interior features that have been deleted in the past few years.
     In contrast, my 2006 Sienna LE has a VERY attractive interior but the exterior styling is NOT as attractive as DC minivans. The HVAC and stereo controls on the Sienna are NOT as user friendly as those on my 2002 T&C LX. I hope my 2006 Sienna is as reliable in 4 years as is my 2002 T&C.
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Re: 06 SXT 3.8L mileage [marine2] by micweb
Feb 06, 2006 (2:11 pm)
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Replying to: marine2 (Feb 05, 2006 10:36 pm)

The 5-20 oil spec was co-developed by Ford, Honda, Exxon-Mobil, and Conoco Philips. Conoco makes the 5-20 oil for Motorcraft, Ford's parts division. Originally Motorcraft was sold as a "regular" dino oil, later the label was upgraded so they are ALL "synthetic blend." (The formula never changed, Motorcraft just decided to take more credit for the superior formula they had from the get-go.) Reportedly the Motorcraft is 60% Group III oil and 40% Group II oil; both group II and III are hydrocracked (catalytic converter processed, not solvent refined), while regular dino oil is just solvent processed. So in a lot of ways you are better off with a 5-20 oil, than with one of the "weaker" 5-30 oils; the weight is only part of the picture, and the robustness of the 5-20 formulation makes up for the slightly lower viscosity.
 
General consensus is that the specification for 5-20 is impossible to meet, unless the oil is mostly synthetic. General consensus is that 5-20 oil is designed to fall at the high end of permissible weight for a 20 weight, not that far from the bottom end of 30 weight oils. Most 5-20 formulations are supposed to be very resistant to shearing and loss of viscoscity, since the formulations use a lot of high viscoscity index synthetic base stock. So, once again, the the debate between the "20" and "30" is not so easy to resolve.
 
However, an extreme ambient temperature such as the 120 degree summer is certainly a factor in choosing oils. My preference if I were in Phoenix would be to play it safe and use Mobil 1 5-20 which is a full synthetic, or even Mobil 1 5-30 full synthetic. Each are very well engineered, and we all know that the 5-20 spec if there more to save gas than save engines, and that the 3.8 WILL still take 5-30 oil. I would try to get your dealer's ok; when Ford owners faced this dilemma several years back, the Ford customer service line told customers they could run any oil approved by their dealer without risking voiding the warranty.
 
Alternatively, do 3,000 mile oil changes instead of 6,000 mile changes. 3,000 mile changes are pushed very hard by the current (2006) owner's manual.
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Re: 06 SXT 3.8L mileage [marine2] by frogger123
Feb 06, 2006 (8:01 pm)
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Replying to: marine2 (Feb 05, 2006 10:36 pm)

I reviewed my 2005 DGC owners manual again and nothing is said about 5W20. It states under viscosity recommendations that both the 3.3L & 3.8L are to use 5W30. Perhaps the 5W20 recommendation came at a later date in 2005 with an updated manual.
 
If an engine is consuming oil, I would think that a lighter weight oil might pass through easier.
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5W-20 vs. 5W-30... by shipo
Feb 06, 2006 (9:08 pm)
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An important point to remember is that those oils are both 5 Weight oils. True, the 5W-20 theoretically thins out less than does 5W-30 when hot, but they are both still 5W oils. A couple of posts back made an interesting point about the differences in the composition of the two oils, and to me at least, the difference didn't sound all that great.
 
Question: Which is thinner, 0W-40 or 5W-30?
Answer: 0W-40
 
Frogger123, if you want to put a REAL oil in your van, you might want to consider Mobil 1 0W-30 or even 0W-40 (a markedly better oil than even the 0W-30).
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: 2005 T&C Squeak [gowmtribe] by frogger123
Feb 06, 2006 (9:43 pm)
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Replying to: gowmtribe (Nov 28, 2005 5:47 pm)

Had a similar squeak & I isolated to driver's side middle row seat front strut. Dealer found outside tube to be loose & turned it several times. Have not had squeak since.
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Re: 5W-20 vs. 5W-30... [shipo] by frogger123
Feb 06, 2006 (9:44 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Feb 06, 2006 9:08 pm)

What is the advantage to a thin 0W oil?

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