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Nissan Titan, Toyota Tundra, Exterior, Engine, Interior, Truck
#44 of 354 This discussion is a joke
Dec 18, 2003 (8:39 am)
Bowke, the Tundra is right in the ball game when it comes to payloads, and the double cab even has a longer bed than the Titan crew cab. The real-world differences between the two vehicles (and the domestics!) are not nearly as great as you suggest.
So the Titan is bigger (not necessarily an advantage in my book), it tows more (although the Tundra will tow anything I might tow), and it has a more powerful engine and 5-speed automatic (that I will grant you).
Your not so subtle innuendos and put downs of the Tundra just don't hold water under close examination. People buying this vehicle know what they're getting, and I have yet to hear from a Tundra owner who's not happy with their truck.
#45 of 354 This discussion is a joke by rsholland
Dec 18, 2003 (10:08 am)
I have to agree with you...the DC Tundra has every right to be compared in the same league as the other full sized pickups.
In a direct comparison with all the others, the Tundra DC will match out well in size (dimensions) and handling and other things like that. It will probably be tops in quality, also. There are only really two or three areas where it WILL fall short, performance, seating, and capacities.
Although some will be satisfied with it, as rsholland is, others won't find the engine to have enough power. All other full size trucks offer seating for 6 in thier CCs - the Tundra doesn't, and the GCWR (and towing capacity)are much too low for many people pulling boats and campers and such.
BUT, these are only shortcomings in some peoples minds, and each of the other Full sized trucks has their own list.
The dimensions of the Tundra DC SAY it has earned the right to be called a fullsized! They have just limited the people who will buy it because of those main three areas.
#46 of 354 Titan and Tundra are both good trucks
Dec 18, 2003 (11:22 am)
And despite my above post, I prefer the Titan over the Tundra, but capability or lack-there-of has nothing to do with it.
I just think the Tundra gets criticized way too often because it doesn't match the dimensions of the other full-size trucks. The 4.7 engine is a fine engine but I do wish it were hooked up to the 5-spead automatic found in the Land Cruiser and V8 4-Runner. Those wishing for a larger Tundra engine will have their wish fulfilled in about a year, in the meantime the 4.7 is fine, IMO.
I also wish it had the Land Cruiser/4-Runner's full-time 4WD available, at least as an option. I also wish the Titan had the auto full-time 4WD found on the Armada. Those who think full-time 4WD has no place on a pickup are wrong IMO. Dodge seems to agree, as the '04 Ram 1500 is now available with full-time 4WD. The Chevy and GMC 1500/2500 (not 2500HD) models have had on-demand full-time 4WD (AutoTrac -- which is similar in function to the Armada's auto 4WD) for several years now.
Question: Do the Titan and Tundra V8s use a timing chain or timing belt?
#47 of 354 Timing Chain/belt
Dec 18, 2003 (12:18 pm)
The specs on the Titan list under valve train "silent chain" so I assume they use a chain.
As to the 4wd, I was told by my Nissan Sales Rep that the 4wd in the Titan is the same as the Armada. When you turn the switch to 4wd you can run it on dry or wet pavement (like Auto AWD). Now, he can be wrong and I don't have a Titan owners manual to check, so don't quote me or take it as Gospel.
As to the Tundra - If I was buying a truck in 4 months or a year or so, it would be one of my top two choices - along with the Titan. The only problem now is it still isn't available in Canada, so I can't wait that long as I am walking right now. The only other problem I would have is I tow a 5000lb travel trailer and I would be limited by the GCWR! That would be a deal breaker as I wouldn't want to tow unsafely.
#48 of 354 The sales rep is wrong about the 4WD
Dec 18, 2003 (12:59 pm)
The Armada has an extra 4WD mode; I think it's called Auto-4WD, or something like that. Having said that, maybe in Canada it's different?
#49 of 354 The sales rep is wrong about the 4WD by rsholland
Dec 18, 2003 (1:15 pm)
I agree with you 100% I looked at the picture in the Armada's owners manual and the switch is different than the Titan. The Titan doesn't have the Auto position because I remember looking at it. The salesman is totally wrong and I will have to let him know as he is a friend of mine. And he might cause problems on a Titan if somebody listens to him.
Too bad they don't have it - that is a big negative!
#50 of 354 The Tundra is larger than the F150
Dec 18, 2003 (5:58 pm)
in every exterior dimension. It can carry more mulch than any other half ton.
So bowke, other than the fact it's V8 isn't 5+ liters(limited towing); why do you think the Tundra DC doesn't have "real truck functionality", and explain how you think it's a far cry from the rest?
I find the Tundra DC is quite capable. It also has the most vault-like structure, proven reliability, the best quality fit/finish, and
proven resale value.
#52 of 354 Every exterior dimension except
Dec 18, 2003 (6:58 pm)
Wheel Base . Also according to Autovantage these are the payload and towing ranges for the F150 and the Tundra
Towing / Payload Capacity Ford says F-150 has the highest towing a payload ratings of any 1-ton full-size truck. That is true, but the numbers are only slightly better than Dodge, Chevy, and the new Nissan Titan. Maximum payload is 3000 lb when equipped with the payload package, 2000 lb without the payload package. Towing capacities range from 6000 lb to 9500 lb depending on model.
Towing / Payload Capacity Tundra payload capacities range from 1110 lb on the 4WD SR5 Stepside V8 to 1800 lb on the 2WD SR5 Access Cab V8. Six-cylinder Tundras are rated to tow from 4800-5000 lb; V8s are rated for 6900-7200 lb.
Also of note in their reviews the Double cab gets a 4 for acceleration while the Super Crew gets a 6.
Toyota claims about 8 sec 0-60 mph for a 2WD V8 regular-cab Tundra. Test 4WD Access Cab clocked a respectable 8.8 sec--without a load. We haven't yet tested V6 models, but they're just 10 percent of Tundra sales. Double Cabs are at least 250 lb heavier than comparable Access Cabs, and thus feel sluggish up steep hills and sometimes even in normal traffic.
Did I read that right? Sluggish in normal traffic?
Then again F150 gets this:
Base V8 has modest acceleration, but works well enough for light-duty hauling and commuting. The 5.4 has stronger acceleration and is well-suited to heavy work, but still trails Dodge Hemi V8 for overall power and GM 5.3 V8 in refinement. With base V8, automatic transmission tends to rush upshfts, delay downshifts, frustrating passing response and driving in hilly terrain.
Cant shift to the right gear? LOL
The moral if you get an F150 dont get the 4.6L its as underpowered in the F150 as it is in the Expedition. And the Tundra DC is still underpowered with its added weight until it gets an upgraded engine (coming soon to a Tundra near you)
But wait isnt this the Titan Vs Tundra board how'd that F150 get in here?
#53 of 354 Point well taken
Dec 18, 2003 (7:26 pm)
It's easy to mix numbers. I think right now the Tundra DC is similar performance/capability to F150 or C1500 with their small V8's.
I also like the tests where they compare brakes. When I carried a full pallet of grass for a coworker in my Tundra, 0-60mph was no issue for the 4.7, power was plentiful. But stopping all that mass in traffic was something I was careful about!