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Nissan Titan, Toyota Tundra, Exterior, Engine, Interior, Truck
Aug 16, 2004 (8:35 am)
The truck above had some dealer added stuff...
- 3M invisible bra
- security package (don't know, doesn't Titan have one already?)
Another deal accepted, different dealer was same equipment, except less bed extender
my truck + $12,450
another deal accepted, different dealer same equipment, except including bed extender and bed divider...
Basically, the first dealer blew it because I was on the floor, made the offer, said they couldn't offer NADA book because it was a regular cab. I had everything to do the deal, clear title with me, proof of insurance, and an E-Loan Power Check. We haggled, it got late, they offered to put my truck on consignment sale, the only stipulation that if they sold it for more than I asked in trade, they keep the difference. They said they could sell it in a week. They wanted to go home, I wanted to get it done. They let me walk.
I thought about what they said. If they could sell it in a week, what's the problem taking it in trade?
Saturday morning, I faxed them an offer sheet early, thanking them for the previous offer to consign my Silverado, but explaining that I had improved my offer (I had, by $800), and that I was going to shop around, and that I expected I'd be successful in closing a deal that day, but that it wasn't fair to not give them the same shot at the new offer, so if you want the new offer, contact me quickly. They did, within about an hour, saying that NOW suddenly the wholesalers were suddenly interested, and that they had a bid $2,000 higher from one, and still working to get a couple other bids, be patient. They called back after about another hour, saying,..."we're REALLY CLOSE." (LMAO)
He haggled me some more, pushed pretty hard, but not quite meeting the terms of my faxed offer either. Minutes later, I heard from both of the other two dealers I had faxed offers to, both accepting at face value.
The one I was going to accept was a dealer 60 miles away, and I was getting ready to jump in the Silverado and go do the deal when wife asked me for third time if (I said no twice before) I wanted to go to this wedding party for people I didn't know. She had a bad attitude already from my dealings, and when (out of guilt) I said I would go, she went postal, saying I wasn't ready and only had 15 minutes. I said go on ahead, I'll meet you there, take the Cadillac, then she couldn't find her keys, (now she's really hot), finally did, flings them across the floor, and takes off.
I said screw it, I'm not getting the truck, and I'm not going to the party!
The moral of this, thE first dealer had so many opportunities, and blew it because of not understanding the dynamics of this axiom..."TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE."
#336 of 354 Re: I test drove the Titan [quadrunner501]
Aug 16, 2004 (5:44 pm)
"The Titan worries me that it might be a Ford Sport track"
You can't compare the Titan to the Sport Trac. Read edmunds review of the Sport Trac and you will realize that it should not be considered in the 1/2 ton class at all. Besides it bed is under 4 feet isn't it.
Yes, the Tundra might get better milage but is 14/18 really than much worse than 16/23. You've already stated that there is nothing appealing about the interior or the exterior look.
For me the Titan was not only about the numbers but about the looks. The chrome face of the Titan just screams "look at me!!!" The other day, I was on the highway and I passed 5 Tacomas in a row (literally). Sometimes, standing out from the crowd is a very good thing.
#337 of 354 I took another test drive in the Titan
Aug 17, 2004 (10:48 pm)
I don't think I can make the move to Titan at this time. Basically, while it will outrun my Silverado 0-60 mph, the Duramax turbo diesel will easily outrun the Titan from 60-100mph.
While that's not making a positive statement about my driving style, it does reflect the reality for me in Colorado, where I actually do lots of high altitude 2 lane mountain driving hauling motorcycles, and can actually use strong passing power to get around a motorhome or a line of cars, and spirited stop and go city driving where the Titan excels is something I'm more patient about.
And it's not that the Titan is weak on passing power, any more so than any normally aspirated vehicle that loses 15-40% power depending on the altitude. It's just the matter of fact that turbocharged boost is strongly suited for high altitude mountain driving. The higher you go, or the faster you go, the greater the advantage.
Reading 50 pages of posts at Titantalk.com makes it evident Nissan will benefit from another year to get the initial quality up.
I love the utili-track system and spray in bedliner, but now I've seen several that have the bubbling-up problem. The paint quality is also mediocre.
I love the luxurious LE interior and seats, but I'm neutral about the exterior style. I TOTALLY love the way it drives around town, the steering, braking, shifting, exhaust character.
Aug 18, 2004 (7:31 am)
That's the most glowing review so far, and they've all been good. Titan has won every shootout, but it's only being compared to 1/2 ton trucks in it's class.
As a consumer weighing a purchase decision, I have to look at it a little differently. I'm not writing magazine reviews, I can stray outside the box, and my judgment criteria is how well it merits against my likely trade-in, for filling the role I have for it. In the case of Titan, it serves my 'wants' just a little bit better than in serves my needs.
Aug 18, 2004 (7:40 am)
...and those are my final comments, unless someone has a question. Feel free to email me at 12345678vsdrives (substitute "motronix" for 12345678...anti-automated-spam control.)
I'll still be reading and following with interest, but I'm not here to thread-hijack or troll.
Sep 20, 2004 (7:06 am)
Here's one Toyota advantage:
Ghosn: Mea culpa on Nissan quality
Published 09/13/2004 in Automotive News
Inexperienced workers are the cause of poor quality at Nissan Motor Co.'s Canton, Miss., plant, says CEO Carlos Ghosn. "The root cause was a lack of experience," Ghosn said last week, referring to Nissan's dismal scores in the J.D. Power and Associates 2004 Initial Quality Study.
Sep 21, 2004 (10:35 am)
OK, Where's the supervisor that supposed to be montitoring the vehicles that come off the assembly line? It's hard to believe that these problems can keep popping up without somebody in management checking it out. Are they having problems with the Armada? The Canton plant may be inexperienced with their employees. They are supposed to have some experienced leadership. That is supposed to help the employees improve upon their mistakes. I take the quality control conversation to the management. They should stop passing the buck. I do love the low depreciation the Tundra has over the Titan. Toyota has outstanding reputation for dependability and reliability. Those are the vehicles my wife will purchase outside of Lexus which is the same thing.
Sep 21, 2004 (11:39 am)
Tundra is dated and boring. Wait for the '06.
#344 of 354 Re: [foureyes3]
Sep 21, 2004 (12:39 pm)
Remember that movie Gung Ho where Michael Keaton played a union guy in a Japanese car plant? Sounds just like Canton.