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Nissan Titan, Toyota Tundra, Exterior, Engine, Interior, Truck
Jul 20, 2004 (9:34 pm)
If you have been to the titan talk site. It would be worth your time to check out tundrasolutions.com
Quite the eye opener..............
Jul 20, 2004 (11:43 pm)
Been there since febuary of last year.....its my most frequented site by far, the information and community is nothing short of spectacular
Jul 20, 2004 (11:54 pm)
Some the tundra problems posted there worry me about "percieved" toyota quality.
Some of the same beefs you would see about X brand of any truck ! Brake rotors, paint, cold start knock, cheap interiors, poor dealer service, etc. etc.............
I think its the luck of the draw on any brand you purchase or dealer nowadays !
#318 of 354 Re: [blueranger]
Jul 21, 2004 (5:15 am)
you missed the point completely.
if i have this choice:
spend more for a bigger engine or not.
my thinking is this:
if i buy more engine, i can get ALOT more by buying the ford than buying the toyota.
if i DONT want to buy more engine, i get the TOP engine by buying nissan.
the problem is this, and i understand the loyalty to toyota, but they have dropped the ball on full size trucks since they tried 10 years ago with the t100. they just dont get the fact that american truck buyers WANT the best #'s.
if they ever decide to actually do something to compete, it will be a great thing...but until then, they remain a step behind the rest.
#319 of 354 I'm sick and tired
Jul 21, 2004 (8:12 am)
of all this smack talking. Bowke, you sound exactly like a Nissan dealer working at a dealership that sells Fords too. Ironic, huh.
Can you honestly sit there and tell me that Toyota designed the Tundra and T100 to be as big as and take business away from the Big 3 in the farmer/construction worker/everyday-trailer-towing demographic? NO
To hear you tell it, the engineers sat down, drew up the trucks, and the first one off the assembly line was ACCIDENTLY 1 foot too short and the engine was 1 liter too small. How blind can you be?
The Tundra doesn't compete with the bigger trucks yet and it is not meant to. I have said it many times before: No "mistake" or shortsightedness was made on Toyota's part. They knew exactly what kind of truck they wanted to make, who were their target buyers, and they accomplished exactly that. Just like the Titan is targeting people who want to save a couple grand and are willing to put up with a truck that squeaks and rattles and has warning lights popping on less than 100 miles from the dealer's lot.
These two trucks are truly apples and oranges. Should they be compared? Yes. But not the way you go about it. To say that Toyota let people down when they designed these "full size" trucks is the ignorant statement of the century. If they had let people down, they wouldn't be selling every truck they make without $10k in incentives.
#320 of 354 Re: I'm sick and tired [saddaddy]
Jul 21, 2004 (8:22 am)
i know the toyotas were designed that way for a reason, but im not the one trying to convince myself otherwise. its people pretending that the toyota will be as heavy duty as the rest by increasing the torque by 25 ft-lbs. that make me want to laugh.
#321 of 354 Re: I'm sick and tired [bowke28]
Jul 21, 2004 (11:13 am)
I'm 57 years old, and have had pickups all my adult life. The Titan Crew Cab I purchased in May is the best pickup I have owned, but ask me in five or six years, after 150,000 miles, and I will be better equipped to tell how good or bad the truck is.
Jul 21, 2004 (4:20 pm)
I dont remember saying anywhere that the tundra was meant for "heavy duty". If i wanted a truck like that, I would spring for the powerstroke diesel. I want a truck for different resons than you, thats cool, if you want the biggest #s on the chart, go for it if thats what makes you happy. Im not trying to convince you that the tundra is better, if you look back to my first post, I was simply clearing up some of the rumors for the changes to the 05 engine. Brand loyality? Please, I drive a ford right now, the fact that I want to step into a toyota is irrevelant to loyality, especially considering that every1 else in my family doenst even own one. If you want to want to keep on bashing the Tundra for not being as "heavy duty" as the rest, please be my guest, like stated, it wasnt designed for that. Maybe you should save your heavy duty arguement for 2006 when they will be putting out a true fullsize with a "TOP" engine that you can have if your heart so desires. What truck to you have/are you looking to purchase anyways?
#323 of 354 Re: [blueranger]
Jul 22, 2004 (7:33 am)
I am not a Tundra fan by any means. But I'm not a Tundra basher either. I couldn't agree with you more. The Tundra was created with a different market in mind. They have hit that market. If it was considered a success by Toyota or not only depends on what Toyota's expectations were.
Jul 22, 2004 (10:46 am)
point taken, all of you.
This quote is what my previous post was aimed at:
"the problem is this, and i understand the loyalty to toyota, but they have dropped the ball on full size trucks since they tried 10 years ago with the t100. they just dont get the fact that american truck buyers WANT the best #'s."
They are NOT confused or wrong about how they perceive anything. Again, they sell exactly what and to whom they plan. Exactly how did they "drop the ball?" To my knowledge they never had "the ball" and I don't understand what you are referring to as a plan of theirs to "pick it up." Explain please.
Toyota has yet to make a bid in this "big truck" race -- you WILL know it when they do, trust me. wink wink. hehe