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Nissan Titan, Toyota Tundra, Exterior, Engine, Interior, Truck
#234 of 354 interesting numbers...
Mar 19, 2004 (6:57 am)
I am on leave in Norfolk, VA this week; in the local newspaper a couple of days ago, they ran an article about full-size truck sales in the U.S. for 2003. The article was of interest to the local community, as there is a F-150 plant nearby. Rough numbers from the article: F-150 had the big lead w/ several hundred thousand, then the others US brands (Dodge, Chevy, GMC). Tundra did just under 100,000, then most interesting to me, was the Titan at around 84,000. I could be wrong, but the Titan didn't go on sale until Dec 1st, so they sold almost as many Titans in one month as Toyota sold Tundras for 12?????
Mar 19, 2004 (8:51 am)
those numbers are for "light trucks", which include SUVs, small pickups, and minivans.
before you start spewing nonsense again, the 5.6 v8 is a bored and stroked 4.5l out of the q45. this v8 has been used for more than 15 years. nissan also has a VERY successful v8 diesel that is used everywhere EXCEPT the US.
Mar 19, 2004 (3:26 pm)
then Nissan should talk to the newspaper, as it specifically said "Nissan Titan". That makes me wonder what else they got wrong
#237 of 354 mediamogulx
Mar 19, 2004 (4:20 pm)
Yes, I've said there's no evidence that Titan is more of a truck than Tundra. I also said, as you have that Tundra falls far short when compared to Ford, Dodge and GM. There's no evidence AT ALL about Titan's ability to do work. I don't know anybody that owns one and haven't heard any claims by owners.
I've worn out 2 F150s, a Ram 1500 and have over 60k on my GMC 2500HD since Toyota claimed to have a full sized truck on the market and I'm STILL waiting to see one that will WORK.
IF Titan can do it good for them. If not, so what. Toyota still doesn't and ANY newcomer to step up to the plate deserves to be looked at, even Daewoo, Kia or that company that Momar Kadafi is trying to start.(well, maybe not Kadafi)
Mar 20, 2004 (1:15 pm)
Kia? Do you think any self respecting man would buy a Kia Full sized truck? That's laughable! LOL! I'm not attempting to degrade you by any means, that's just a funny statement. Now, as for the Toyota... It's no slouch. I know 3 people that own them. They're all VERY nice trucks that will do just about anything you need them to do. HOWEVER, they aren't showing up in the hands of folks around construction sites. In the same way, the Nissan isn't doing it either. People are too afraid of scratching the paint on their precious new truck. What's more, the American trucks offer great fleet deals. I don't suspect you'll see Titans OR Tundras on the work site any time soon. Irregardless of which one is better, Americans want American trucks. Neither Nissan nor Toyota (no matter how good the offering) has what it takes to build a truck to compete with Ford and GM. Since you've owned neither a toyota nor a nissan fullsize truck, I think you, most of all, would sympathize with that. Toyota, on the other hand, shows the greatest potential to make a great truck. Their designs are simple, and their plan is steady and sure. They've entered the heart of detroit by entering NASCAR, and what's more, they're doing VERY well. Toyota has the money to do it right, and their plan is always slow and steady. When the next Tundra hits the market, the Nissan guys are gonna be sweating. I know this because of Toyota's strategy since day 1. They don't jump the gun. They take their time and build up. We'll see who wins in the end - Nissan or Toyota, but I gotta tell you, that's as far as that battle will go. Ford and GM have WAY too much tied up in their trucks to see the heritage destroyed by foreign companies. Their trucks are their bread and butter.
#239 of 354 Kia funnier thanTundra?
Mar 20, 2004 (1:47 pm)
How so? It's widely believed that Toyota quality is superior to Ford and Chevy but we keep buying Fords and Chevies don't we? It's not cuz we hate the Japs and it's not cuz we don't know quality. It IS because we want something that can do the job without costing too much for what they can do.If Toyota understood this thier first TWO attempts would have been a little more workable. The first foreign manufacturer to produce what we are NOW BUYING will out sell Toyota.
Kia has very low prices and a great warrenty and if they offered good fleet deals on a new product it would sell.
Twenty years ago, nobody from Ford or GM thought they would be seeing big Isuzu trucks all over the country.
BTW; the two best off road vehicles I've owned were a Toyota truck and Landcruiser
Mar 20, 2004 (9:17 pm)
I want you to read this article seriously and think about it. It's part opinion and part fact. Read it and give it some thought. I gotta tell ya, Ford and GM have definitely caught up. I recently attended the Cleveland Auto show and was blown away by both the ford and GM offerings. They're outstanding. The quality is DEFINITELY on the rise as well. Since the quality is on the rise, I would imagine that the American makers will return to the top of the pile very soon. That being said, I think that BOTH Toyota and Nissan are offering healthy competition. Their innovations are forcing the American guys to think on their feet. However, BOTH Toyota AND Nissan are light-years behind Ford and GM. Toyota makes an outstanding offroad vehicle. They are also at the end of the first line of the Tundra. With all the flack that has recently been flying around about its size and power, I think folks are wrong. As I have said... I know 2 people that own Tundras and 1 person that owns a Sequoia. I have driven all 3 trucks, and they are amazing. I have been in the Titan and Armada trucks, and to me (my opinion) the interior is just as lackluster as the exterior. The truck may be big, and it may have a bigger engine, but Toyota has a beeline on the styling. That line is only going to improve when they build the next Tundra. Remember... Nissan has watched Toyota Carefully throughout the Tundra life span. Before Toyota reached the end of the model run, Nissan built a bigger truck just to say "We're Better". Does this sound familiar? It's like the great engine race of the 60's. Ford and GM squared off and we ended up with 500+ Cubic inch big blocks. My point is that Nissan snuck a bigger truck in just to say we're better. Toyota already has an established consumer base. When they come out with the next model, I'm sure it will be bigger, haul more, and have a bigger engine. The truck that's out now isn't lacking. It's outstanding. What's more... if you're looking for space, get a Double cab. That sucker is HUGE! Nissan may have jumped the gun though, because they made a bigger truck with more oomph without starting smaller first. I hope it works out for them, but right now, quality and durability are unknown. As for Kia, they make very nice cars. I was most impressed by their new fullsize luxury car. I would be much more tempted by other vehicles, but I was indeed impressed. As to the Hypothetical fullsize truck, I really don't think Americans would buy it. I don't see that happening. Like you, they'd rather buy the big American Truck. That's my 2 Cents.
#241 of 354 U.S. Quality IS Great
Mar 20, 2004 (9:51 pm)
Especially compared to ANYTHING built before the '90s.
Tundra vs Titan? I test drove a Tundra in '00. It was comfortable but the small cockpit like interior of the "Access cab" had room for only two adults. The I-Force V8 had enough power for most situations. (Did I mention my GMCs 8.1)
I haven't seen a Titan up close but comparing my '95 Tacoma to a hunting partners '96 Nissan, both fully loaded-Toyota has a much more comfortable interior and there was a more solid feel to door handles, steering wheel, pedles, and shifter. The Nissan huals a lot more firewood without bottoming out and it's maybe a little better off road. On road it handles better but again it seems a little "cheap"
I agree that the American companies hold the top 3 spots but I still think that number 4 is up for grabs.
Mar 21, 2004 (6:58 am)
I Agree whole heartedly there. NOW You're talking my language. The 8.1 in your GMC is why the foreign makers are still considerably far behind. They may make big motors, but until they start producing stuff like that - diesels, and dualies, they'll always be sub par. I also agree about the Toyota quality. The feel of the trucks is much nicer. The Titan does have more room. That spot is still wide open though, and what's going to be REALLY interesting to watch is when Toyota comes out with their new Tundra (due VERY soon).