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#156 of 200 2002 X-Type Battery Light
Jun 19, 2006 (9:12 pm)
I've got a 2002 Jaguar X-Type 3.0 with 49,950 miles I bought last year. I've been very happy with the car overall as its a certified preowned Jag which means the nice 100,000 mile warranty.
Tonight the battery light came on on the dashboard. I tried starting and restarting a couple of times but its still on. The headlights look fine (not dim) so I wasn't sure if it was the alternator or what.
Anyone run into this problem? All the manual says is "generator fault" but nothing else. What could it mean?
#157 of 200 RE: Sudden acceleration of Jaguar
Jun 20, 2006 (10:37 pm)
I have had a sudden acceleration accident with my 2005 Jaguar XJ8L. It occurred as I was slowly pulling in beside a gasoline pump. I was almost at a stand-still when the car just took off crashing into the car directly in front. I plowed right through the forward car's left bumper and kept right on going. I could hear the car motor racing; the tires were pealing as I tried to brake. The car suddenly stopped. The accident report officer said that the fuel line had shut down because of the force of the crash ( a safety device, built-in, perhaps?) Luckily no one was injured seriously. However this happened in April and I have been told repairs will not be completed until August -- we have hardly any repair shops that are equipped to handle the new aluminum body frames. But since I do not wish to drive this car again, I'm not certain what will happen when it is out of the shop. My insurance company wanted me to have our Jaguar dealership check it out before the repair, but Jaguar said the car checked out fine and I must have inadvertently slammed on the gas. That definitely did not happen!! If any one has any proceedings started I would love to hear about them. I will call the NHTS as suggested and file a report. BTW, I had only owned the car for 4 months. We had purchased it used off the dealer's lot. I really did love that car, darn it.
#158 of 200 RE: Sudden acceleration of Jaguar [lemoninorange]
Jun 21, 2006 (7:30 pm)
Jaguar is not going to do anything because they do not want to admit that this problem exist. They realize it will require a recall and may cost them a lot of money. I am glad no one got hurt. Well, the judge have finally ruled that I can go forward with my lawsuit against Jaguar because of this problem. It has taken me 6 months to get to this stage. I will forward this information to my attorney. Let me know if you live in the Atlanta, Georgia area and keep me posted.
#159 of 200 RE:Sudden acceleration lawsuit
Jun 21, 2006 (8:30 pm)
I am so glad that you can go ahead with your Lawsuit. Wish I was as lucky. I spoke to 2 lawyers who don't think there is enough "proof" that it was the car that was at fault & not me. How were you able to convince your lawyer & the judge that you really do have a case? What is your lawyer's specialty? Maybe I just chose the wrong type of lawyer. Meanwhile, Jaguar if FORCING me to pay monthly lease payments for a car that I will never drive again, plus I am paying for a daily rental car. If I turn the car in to Jaguar, ("early" Lease termination), Jaguar wants ALL the Lease payments for the entire 27 months of the Lease, PLUS, they will be getting back the car with only a few more miles on it than the day I leased it, at approximately the same value as was listed on the Lease!!! My accident was only 5 days after I leased it (used). Jaguar can then turn around & Lease it to someone else ("DOUBLE DIPPING") or sell it! In other words, the sudden acceleration which could have killed me provides Jaguar with a GREAT opportunity to make TWICE as much money !! And, they still own all the equity in the car!! Now, I understand why Jaguar won't do a darn thing for any of us! I sure hope you win your lawsuit. And please tell me What I need to do to start a lawsuit. Right now I feel like I am dealing with the Mafia!
Jun 21, 2006 (8:54 pm)
Is there more than one dealer in your town? Is it possible a mechanic at another could diagnose the problem?
Unfortunately, there are a lot of reports of cars accelerating suddenly, all the way back to the audi that ended up being driver error, so i imagine it will be hard to get taken seriously. You will have to somehow show it is a mechanical error in the car.
Can't you ask them to fix it thee times, and make them take it back as a lemon?
#161 of 200 Re: lease [dhanley]
Jun 21, 2006 (11:41 pm)
Only new cars qualify under Lemon Law. Car is 3 years old.Also, even if it was new, car would need to be in for the same problem 3 times for Lemon Law. What kind of STUPID law is that? Car crashed the FIRST time & almost killed me or could have killed or injured someone else. Am I supposed to have 2 more serious accidents before Lemon Law kicks in???? Maryland & Georgia have smart legislators that realize that it only takes 1 brake failure (or sudden accelereation) to claim under Lemon Law. But, for used cars, there is nothing I can do! Any suggestions?
#162 of 200 Re: lease [mylemon2]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jun 22, 2006 (8:27 am)
My recollection of previous lawsuits about sudden acceleration was that the claims were defeated by demonstration that a car cannot overcome its brakes when acceleration from rest; that is, if the brakes are firmly applied the car cannot move forward, even at wide open throttle. So I guess you'd have to prove sudden acceleration AND brake failure simultaneously, or you'd have to prove that your car's engine can overcome its brakes acclerating from rest or near rest.
Jun 22, 2006 (9:05 am)
If you floor the brake, then floor the gas, the car won't move. The lawyer shows the jury this, and says, so do you think maybe the person mistakenly had their foot on the gas, and this is why the engine raced and the car didn't slow down when "they stomped the brake to the floor?"
#164 of 200 Re: yeah [dhanley]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jun 22, 2006 (10:46 am)
It's an intriguing problem, because for the accident to happen, both fuel system and brake system has to fail simulataneously, and then both have to quickly return to normal operation again when examined by police or the dealer. This must be tough to prove, since IIRC no sudden acceleration lawsuit has ever been successfully prosecuted.
However, there were some lawsuits that were settled because of the bad DESIGN of the gas/brake pedal arrangements....
Reading NHTSA's findings on sudden acceleration complaints is interesting....
#165 of 200 Re: lease [Mr_Shiftright]
Jun 22, 2006 (7:31 pm)
You are correct and that is the reason why Jaguar prefer going to court then admit they have this problem. I think it is a microchip problem that override the brake system. I filed in federal court to have a better chance because the judge ruled that I did not need to determine the problem for Jaguar it is there responsiblity since they made the car. I will fight this case to the end because I do not want someone else to get hurt or killed because of this problem.