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Honda S2000, Convertible
#99 of 420 udpate...
May 18, 2005 (9:05 pm)
Couldn't resist. Stopped by a local Honda dealer and tried the S2000 on for size. It's not like I had room to spare, but once I got my long legs in (I'm 6' 3" with a 35" inseam), the room was OK and I really enjoyed the test drive. I was particularly impressed with the headroom, though we dropped the top right away.
The test drive was in what would be my first choice if I was buying new - '05 Suzuka Blue. The dealership is a very friendly, family-owned business with no-haggle price. For some reason, the blue one was a few hundred cheaper than the others on the lot. Presumably, it had been sitting longer than the others. Their no-haggle price on this one was $30,800, which I thought was pretty good. They also had a red 2004 (new) that they were trying to sell for around $29k.
Anyway, loved the drive - wheels in my head are spinning trying to figure out how to get one in the garage.
#100 of 420 Re: udpate... [breld]
May 19, 2005 (7:52 am)
I figured when you said you had a TSX you would love the S2000
Is this going to replace your daily driver or be in addition to it? In my case, mine is a nice day car so I don't much mind the plastic window. With the top down I can't see it - no matter what it is made of. You can get an older car for a good bit less, but sounds like the dealer you spoke with is motivated to move the cars if those prices are their opening shots.
Love the Suzuka blue paint! Never could decide if the interior blue was for me or not. Mine is New Formula Red w/black leather.
#101 of 420 Re: udpate... [dwynne]
May 19, 2005 (8:48 am)
This would be in addition to the TSX, which is my daily driver. So, since I probably would never take it out if I couldn't have the top down, the plastic rear window on the '00 and '01 probably isn't a big deal. Certainly would save some money. But, have to admit, the $30,800 for a new '05 is appealing. Not that it isn't a lot of money, but seems like a good deal for what you get.
A nearby Mitsibushi dealer has a silver '01 and a black '04 (asking about $21k and $27k, respectively, I believe). I may go check those out. At the end of the day, I'll probably have to wait until the end of this year, when the TSX is paid off.
By the way, it was funny getting back into my TSX after the test drive - all of a sudden what I thought were very short throws on my 6 speed seemed very long.
#102 of 420 Re: udpate... [breld]
May 19, 2005 (9:15 am)
Yep, you could have my 01 with 70k HondaCare and 16k on the clock for $21-22k I would think You could get an '00 car for under $20k I would think and maybe even some 01s for that low. For sure if you buy in the winter from "up North".
I know what you mean about the shifter. I had a Miata with a short shift kit and Voodoo knob on it - very short. I sold it and got a 'vette - very long throws. I drove it to the Honda dealer to test drive an S for the first time (a CPO used example) and the first time I tried to hit second I though "the tranny is busted". Nope, that is second "right there". I have gotten used to it, but switching back and forth from my daily driver BMW (longer throws and strange clutch engagement point and tons of torque) to the S (very short throws, normal clutch, but no torque) sometimes takes a minute. My wife made fun of me the other day for nearly stalling the S since I had not driven it in a while.
Good luck with your search. Another thing to consider, the S has always been a good leasing car with way above normal residuals. This has dropped a LITTLE in the last couple of years but it is still strong - nearly as strong as a G35 coupe. Getting the car below invoice with a strong residual means a sweet lease payment.
#103 of 420 Re: 2005 S2000 Price in Dallas [habitat1]
May 19, 2005 (9:33 am)
i worked a honda dealer in the atlanta area for two years. acid rain is huge down here, and the dealer spend thousands fixing paint for their sold customers. we started putting a protection package on all the cars and the problem stopped. so, yes, it is needed in some parts of the country, and yes they really do put it on.
#104 of 420 Re: 2005 S2000 Price in Dallas [nusigep]
May 19, 2005 (5:16 pm)
Sorry, that old dog doesn't hunt here. The "acid rain" pitch is just plain B.S. as well, and an excuse for a sleezy dealer rip off. The S2000 has a top of the line clear coat paint that is fully resistent to acid rain anywhere in the U.S. - and just about anything else normal nature throws our way. This from the Acura factory rep that I called today about a question regarding our MDX.
Check out reputable BMW, Porsche and other "premium" dealerships in the Atlanta area and ask them if they have a $600 "paint protection" package they try to slap on their $50,000+ vehicles. The answer isn't that those vehicles have more acid rain resistent paint than an S2000. It's that those (reputable) dealerships treat their (presumably intelligent) customers with respect and integrity.
P.S. Show me any objective factual information showing that Atlanta's "acid rain" is worse than Washington D.C.s. or Pittsburgh PA's.
#105 of 420 Re: 2005 S2000 Price in Dallas [habitat1]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
May 20, 2005 (7:28 am)
Folks, the acid rain discussion needs to be taken elsewhere, like to our News & Views board or to our regular Honda S2000 discussion. Let's keep the conversation focused specifically on pricing/purchasing experiences with the S2000. Thanks!
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#106 of 420 2005 Honda S2000 - gray
May 27, 2005 (7:27 am)
Well, just went into Stevens Creek Honda here in San Jose, CA, and got the dark gray with all black interior for $29,200 + taxes&license. They had 10 in stock.
They thought that I was going to finance thru them which was currently 1.9% with Honda Financing, but I chose to buy it outright. I guess they were trying to hit their Memorial Weekend Day numbers.
Haggling point was the fact that this is the LAST year they will build the S2000 and these cars are not flying off the showrooms. Though it is the best bang for the buck, Honda cannot afford to keep this slick machine on the roads. It has been a money losing venture like the NSX. I'm very sad to see this car go, but it's business. Honda should learn something from Porsche and Mazda with their respective Boxster and Miata. Both are very lucrative niches that they possess and Honda should muscle their way into one or the other.
I digress...Get in there and pay no more than $29,500. Don't get the body kit and since this the most reliable sports car out on the market, you won't need the extended warranty - a $2000 waste and another way for the dealer to screw you.
Also buy a car with less than 10 miles on it...otherwise, it was the demo car and you should still be able to knock down the price even further (depending on the mileage a few hundred bucks).
Well best of luck to you all and hope to see you out there in those S2000's.
#107 of 420 Re: 2005 Honda S2000 - gray [etomidate]
May 27, 2005 (7:41 am)
Congrats on the new car.
Upon what do you base your statement that this is the last year for the S2000?
Also, I paid $800 or so for my 7yr/75k/$0 deductible HondaCare back when my S was just under 2 years old. The current price is a bit higher from a discount HondaCare dealer, but certainly no where near the $2k the dealer tried to get from you
I stopped for gas in mine last night, top down of course. There was an 04 or 05 silverstone in front of me - which is a rare sight and to have 2 S2000s at the station at the same time is really unusual. He had the top up and latched down. I don't think he even noticed I was in an S as well. I was going to say something like "Are you waiting for a nice day to put the top down?" (if was sunny and mid 70s - perfect) - but he went in to pay and stayed inside talking to the cashier for a while so I left. Of course, I was behind a smurf blue Miata at lunch yesterday with the hard top still on. I wonder if they know it comes off?
Please drive yours with the top down as much as possible. Thank you
Over 25mpg on this last tank commuting to work and back, VTEC'ing as much as possible. It is such a sweet car!
#108 of 420 Re: 2005 Honda S2000 - gray [etomidate]
May 31, 2005 (1:26 pm)
I also would like to know your source of information that this is the last year of the S2000. I don't have information to the contrary, I'm just trying to sort out rumor from fact.
One fact I will dispute is that the S2000 was a money losing venture for Honda. When I bought my 2002 in late 2001, I got a $800 discount to MSRP on a snowy day in DC. The TMV for northern California at the time was $36,800, $4,000 OVER MSRP. And that was a full two years after the original 2000 model had been introduced. A friend who lives in the Bay Area bought a Boxster at a $2,500 discount and later wished he had gone for the S2000, even with the Californai price premiums.
So, although S2000's are now being discounted to invoice, they had the longest run of "premium pricing" of any car I have researched, other than the Ferrari 360. Way longer than anything by Porsche or Mazda. The fact that they only made 6,000 per year for import to the US was intentional and limited by their partially hand built manufacturing process. I have seen some detailed financials on Honda. I would not dispute the fact that the consumer is getting a spectacular deal on all of the ground up engineering costs which were written off as corporate marketing and development. However, Honda got plenty of bang for their buck with the S2000. If nothing else, they sent Porsche back to the drawing boards three times to increase the power of their base Boxster, trying to keep up with a 6 year old S2000.
The NSX was a different story and, in my opinion, wasn't nearly as impressive from a relative standpoint as the S2000.