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Honda S2000, Convertible
#22 of 420 When's the Best Time to Purchase S2000
Jul 11, 2004 (7:40 pm)
After looking, test driving, researching various convertibles - the Mazda Miata, Honda S2000, BMW Z4, Toyota MR2, and the Nissan 350, I've finally made the choice of the S2000!!! I'm pretty excited and it was by far the best in looks, and to a woman, what else matters:+)!! Oh, yeah, and my husband mentioned something about "RPMs" and "red lining" and "speeding tickets" when I hit 6th gear cruisin' down I-95 with the top down and the music turned up so I could get a feel for the system. Anyways, I need to find out, when would be the best timeframe to purchase a 2004: In the fall once the 2005s come out?? Or should I just get a brand new 2005 when they come out. I believe there will be minimal change from the 2004 to the 2005, however, the resale value on a 2005 will probably be better. Also, the only thing it's lacking is foglights on the 2004 - any suggestions on possibly having them installed?? And they're for looks of course, because there's not much fog where I live!
Jul 12, 2004 (3:44 pm)
Never ask whether you can test drive.
Phone and ask whether they have a particular model -- or in the case of S2K, particular color in stock. If they say yes, tell them, "Okay, I'd like to come down for a test drive tomorrow. How about <convenient time>?" If they say no, say, "Well, I guess I'll test drive what you have in stock. You can order <particular model/color>, can't you?"
If they say, "You'll have to buy it first," act like they said, "You'll have to sacrifice your mother to our Demon Lord Baal." Laugh, and say, "I'm not going to buy a car without test driving it."
If they persist, say, "Well, I guess I'll have to go somewhere else." At this point they will say, "Well, maybe we can make an exception..."
#24 of 420 Tricks won't work...
Jul 13, 2004 (1:10 pm)
On critical cars that attract joyriders and non serious buyers, dealers have to protect themselves. Hopefully you can understand that.
Call your local Ferrari dealer and ask them that question.
Jul 13, 2004 (2:12 pm)
It's an S2000, not an Enzo.
I've never had trouble test driving any car I wanted to drive. It's all about attitude.
"Oooh, shiny! Can I touch?" will not get you as far as, "I'm a very busy man, and I don't have time to waste with bozos."
#26 of 420 Still, a big difference...
Jul 13, 2004 (2:18 pm)
Between driving a civic and an S-2000. a nutty driver can get us killed in an S-2000 not to mention the fact that the MAJORITY of people who want to drive one "just want to see what it's like".
I understand your point and I assure you that were you in the position of a dealer you would quickly learn to feel differently.
Like I said...it's hard to ferret out the serious from the non serious.
Jul 14, 2004 (2:21 am)
Test driving a S2000 is simple - work with a dealership that has a used one on its lot. If you're up front about a serious interest in a new one it should not be a problem for the new car salesperson to get borrow keys to the one for sale in the used lot.
Less risk involved for all parties.
smiley4 - I understand that there are no new changes for '05, or no notable changes at the least. Summertime always is a tougher time to buy a convertible, less likely to deal. On the other hand, the entire roadster market has been soft, so you might do OK buying now anyway.
I followed the strategy of "new car, off season" of getting a new car just after release (an '04) last November, without having to pay an arm and a leg for it due to the season.
#28 of 420 profiling
Jul 14, 2004 (7:11 am)
"it's hard to ferret out the serious from the non serious" Unfortunately, the "ferretting" process may involve ethnic profiling and an assessment of ones means by people who have little qualification to do so. I appreciate the difficulty in making such decisions, but such arbitrary decisions by car salesmen contribute to the distrust the public has in the process. fortunately, getting a test drive was not a problem in my situation. to anyone who is denied a test drive, go to another dealer. the car is great, but one needs to drive it to come to that conclusion. The cars are not in such demand that test drives need to be denied.
#29 of 420 Re: [sphinx99]
Jul 15, 2004 (12:21 pm)
Thanks for the info!! I actually got the Silverstone/Black S2000 yesterday and it's a dream!!! (Silverstone is the only color I wanted and this dealership is the only one I could find it at....the car is not available anywhere - wonder why the dealer didn't take advantage of that.) Anyway, I did all of my negotiations via e-mail and got a wonderful deal!! $295.00 above factory invoice for the car - ....Got the 8 disc CD changer and alarm and paid $50 CD/$75 alarm above factory invoice got them to throw in 1 detail a year as long as I own the car. I drove it today with the top down and it's absolutely lovely!! (Think my CLK is gonna get jealous!)
#30 of 420 Re: profiling [radiate]
Jul 16, 2004 (10:14 am)
Ethnic profiling has nothing to do with it. It's a matter of trying to keep customers happy while trying to do what is right for the company. As I said before, these cars attract non-serious joyriders who have no intension of buying one.
I wouldn't expect you or anyone not in the business to understand that and I understand your position as well. Like I said, it's not easy and it really makes no difference if it's new or used.
#31 of 420 Re: Still, a big difference... [isellhondas]
Jul 21, 2004 (5:18 pm)
In this case, it sounds like the dealer did a very poor job of ferreting out a buyer. I had a friend who had the exact same problem. He was pretty serious about getting a TT. Asked for a test drive and the dealer said no. Even though my friend was in a position to pay cash that day, the salesman looked him up down and didn't like the way he dressed. I guess nice jeans, a polo shirt, and sandals don't fit the TT buyer profile. My friend was pretty offended and I can't blame him. Who wants to be treated like trailer trash?
Unfortunate for my friend, there's no other Audi dealer within probably an hour or more drive. He still talks about that Audi.... 8^)
Sorry, I can't sympathize with dealers. It's their jobs to serve the customer, not vice versa. What is a buyer to do? Who wants to haggle over price -- like the salesman expected -- before you've made a decision to buy?
He did the right thing. Get lousy service, walk out. If enough buyers vote with their feet and the cars collect dust on the lot long enough, they'll change their self-serving, customer-unfriendly policies.