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Honda S2000, Convertible
#160 of 420 Re: Need help in deciding which is a better deal! [ohfreddie]
Sep 04, 2005 (5:03 am)
The "new" 2005 has 150 test drive miles. I've gone on record before stating that the S2000 is not a car that you want some bozo redlining in the first 1,000 miles. I would have great concern that a car with 150 miles on the odometer is likely to have found it's way into the hands of at least one or two such bozo's.
I think you can find brand new S2000's with 2-10 delivery miles on the odometer. I was offered a new Silverstone/Black w/4 delivery miles, still wrapped in plastic for $30,000. Shop around if you are interested in a 2005.
Lest anyone think I am overly anal about test drives, I am considering a 2005 Boxster S with 91 miles on the odometer without any reservation. The 3.2 liter, 7,200 rpm engine in the Boxster S requires much less coddling during break in than the Honda S2000. The early premature V-teching of the S2000 has been shown to have adverse consequences on long term performance. Same goes for being overly aggressive with an M3. But Porsches can be driven pretty much to their limit out of the box.
Sep 06, 2005 (12:13 pm)
Any symptoms or issues that crop up on a vehicle that hasn't been "babied properly"? My 04' that I bought back in June had 1200 miles, and I used the exterior and interior appearance as well as tire wear for a judgment before I bought. But maybe I am missing something? Just curious.
Got the first oil change done at 3,000 miles. Mobil 1 Synthetic.
Lovin' every minute of driving the car!
#162 of 420 Re: Need help in deciding which is a better deal! [habitat1]
Sep 06, 2005 (12:19 pm)
Oh, before I bought, I drove (and almost purchased) an 05' with 10 miles on the odo. Both the 05' and my 04' feel and sound exactly alike. Now like a "good boy" I drove the 05' gently and didn't rev it out during the drive, but over the course of the test drive (approx. 10 miles) it felt no "tighter" than the mine. Unfortunately, had I known that break in on the S was so sensitive, I would have spent the extra $$$ on the 05 and did the proper break in myself, but maybe I got lucky?
#163 of 420 Re: Need help in deciding which is a better deal! [anythngbutgm]
Sep 06, 2005 (2:01 pm)
I would not worry about it. Folks all the time are saying on this car or others not to buy ones with any miles on them. Face it, if they never let folks test drive them they would never sell any. USUALLY most dealers treat the S different that other cars - no free rides, just a qualified potential buyer and they have someone ride along. The car comes with a 3/36 warranty and surely any ill effects would show up before then.
Someone could have redlined the 05 car just after it came off the truck in those 10 miles - so who is to say the 05 would have been "better"? Now, if you didn't get a nice discount then the 05 will always be worth more ($1,500-2,000) just being a model year newer - but if you saved enough up front then no big deal.
My first S was an 01 I picked up barely used and I really didn't have any problems with it and traded it for a new 05 a couple of months back.
While we would all like 0 mile cars the reality is that most of us will not get one every time - unless we go to a lot of extra trouble and expense to get one, and I am not convinced it is worth the trouble or expense.
#164 of 420 No such thing as zero miles
Sep 06, 2005 (4:16 pm)
They come off the trucks with 4-6 miles usually. The tech who does the PDI has to drive them so they have at least ten miles on them.
#165 of 420 Re: Need help in deciding which is a better deal! [dwynne]
Sep 11, 2005 (6:55 pm)
I was under the impression from Honda and their dealers that there were going to be no 2006 model for the S2000.
This was in a MotorTrend article. What is your source? They all have but introduced all the 2006 models minus one...the S2000. Because I would hold out for the 2006 or better yet get a better price for the 2005.
Thanks in advance.
#166 of 420 Re: Need help in deciding which is a better deal! [etomidate]
Sep 11, 2005 (8:11 pm)
Gee, you expect a car salesman to tell you the truth ? They are trying to sell you something they have on the lot so why would they tell you or admit that there is an 06 coming? Seriously, lots of folks were afraid that 05 would indeed be the last year - based on the terrible sales or late. In fact, Honda even had to resort to really cheap lease rates to move cars this summer.
Folks have posted the scans of the 06 brochure and now Honda has posted some info for themselves:
#167 of 420 Re: Need help in deciding which is a better deal! [etomidate]
Sep 12, 2005 (4:05 am)
Thanks to dwynne for the link to the 2006 S2000 information.
As for getting a better deal on a 2005, I don't know how much better than $30k or about $500 under invoice you will get. But given the changes for 2006 and the benefit of a newer model year, I would be tempted to wait. I suspect that something like $500-$1,000 over invoice on a 2006 would be achievable, at least come November/December. And that difference would likely be made up completely at trade-in time 2-3+ years down the road.
#168 of 420 Re: Need help in deciding which is a better deal! [habitat1]
Sep 12, 2005 (5:46 am)
I am not sure I like the changes to the wheels or the steering wheel or the seats (I will wait to see them in person), but having stability control and the longer powertrain warranty would be enough to make me wait - I think.
That said, I am a lease guy - and only gave up my 01 S for a new 05 S this year due to the cheap least deal Honda is offering. The $299 a month promo payment assumes a net cap cost of $29,376.41 - so getting the car for $30k or a little less gets you "real close" with nothing out of pocket.
This deal is STILL going on (through 10/3/2005) for 2005 S2000s if you can find a deal on one.
Like you said, I think it may be a LONG time to find an 2006 S for $30k AND get this cheap of a lease deal too.
But if I were going to pay cash or finance, I think I might wait for the upgrades....
They mentioned rain for the first time in about TWO WEEKS on the radio this morning, if I does rain later in the week it will be the first time in around 17 days. Me and the new S have been "loving it"
#169 of 420 Dealer only made $360 on this deal
Sep 15, 2005 (10:36 pm)
I did quite a bit of internet shopping before I found the best price for the Southern California market. This was my first automobile lease, so I didn't qualify at the super-preferred tier 1 rate, but with some pleading to American Honda Credit by three separate finance directors, they eventual got my initial turned down response approved at tier 2 (preferred). So the deal I got:
36 mos lease
$387.47per month with $0 down, and dealer paid DMV, doc, and first month's rent
This is deal is equivalent to $640 below invoice. The only profit was from the $994 if dealer holdback. If you have excellent credit with a FICA of 720+ you could do the same deal for about twenty dollars less. Best of luck