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#6 of 336 prius vs civic hybrid by veggieburger Nov 30, 2003 (6:13 pm)
We noticed on the other forum(s) that no one was comparing the 2004 prius to the civic hybrid - from the matter of alternative purchase vehicles at least. Now, besides the obvious answer of "because the Prius is so much better" is there more explicit explanations of this?   Since I currently like my Integra hatchback, I could deal with the low entry trunk openings of the civic or corolla but the fact that the seats do not fold in the civic hybrid is a non-starter for me. Darn!!
#7 of 336 prius mpg problems by veggieburger Nov 30, 2003 (6:23 pm)
dont know if this is reality or not but:   http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat- _code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=06998804
#8 of 336 no accident-avoidance or crash data by john1701a Nov 30, 2003 (7:10 pm)
> Corolla or Civic is much safer bet   It's nothing but a bet though... since no data is available about the 2004 Prius yet, which is a completely new frame & body design.   JOHN
#9 of 336 by xcel Nov 30, 2003 (9:04 pm)
Hi All:   ___An 04 Corolla LE w/ the following can be purchased for $14,900.   * 4 Speed Automatic (ECT) Electronically Controlled Transmission * A/C - mechanical * Anti-Lock brakes * (DRL’s) Day Time Running Lights * Cruise Control * Power Mirrors * Driver’s Side Seat Height Adjuster * Power Windows * Power Door Locks * AM/FM CD w/ 6 speakers * Keyless Entry Remotes * Cast Aluminum Alloy rims * Tilt Steering * 60/40 Split-Fold down Rear Seat * Integrated display including speedometer, tachometer, outside temperature … * Rear Defrost   Safety   NHTSA:   Front Driver and Passenger – Frontal Impact: 5 stars Front Seat/Rear Seat – Side Impact: 4 stars Rollover Resistance: 4 Stars   IIHS: The highest rating of (G) - Good all the way across.   ___Who knows what the 04 Prius will rate but hopefully it will be better then the NHTSA’s 02-03 Prius tests with 3, 4, 3, 3, 4 ratings … Although there is a bet that it has improved, the 04’s crash worthiness was considered in its design and should rate at least 4 and possibly 5 stars across the board.   ___As for the Honda Civic Hybrid, it is truly outclassed in this game. It had the edge against the 01-03 Prius but not the 04 given it still costs more in a comparable trim. The 01 – 03 Prius wasn’t close against the 03/04 Corolla either but the 04 is a comparable vehicle with its greater size and closer to std. economy class power IMHO.   ___Good Luck   ___Wayne R. Gerdes
#10 of 336 by xcel Nov 30, 2003 (9:45 pm)
Hi All:   ___An 04 Toyota Camry LE w/ the following can be purchased for $17,900.   * 4 Speed Automatic (ECT) Electronically Controlled Transmission * A/C - mechanical * Anti-Lock brakes * (DRL’s) Day Time Running Lights * Cruise Control * Power Mirrors * Driver’s Side Seat Height Adjuster and Lumbar support * Power Windows * Power Door Locks * AM/FM CD w/ 6 speakers * Keyless Entry Remotes * Tilt Steering * 60/40 Split-Fold down Rear Seat * Integrated display including speedometer, tachometer, outside temperature … * Rear Defrost   Safety   NHTSA (2003 Camry):   Front Driver and Passenger – Frontal Impact: 5/4 stars Front Seat/Rear Seat – Side Impact: 3/5 stars Rollover Resistance: 4 Stars   IIHS: The highest rating of (G) - Good all the way across except for an (A) – Average for Leg/Foot – Right side.   ___Good Luck   ___Wayne R. Gerdes
#11 of 336 by xcel Nov 30, 2003 (10:04 pm)
Hi All:   ___An 04 Honda Civic Hybrid w/ the following can be purchased for ~ $19,700.   * CVT (Continuously Variable Transmission) * Automatic Climate-Control with Electric A/C * Anti-Lock brakes * Cruise Control * Power Mirrors * Driver’s Side Seat Height Adjuster * Power Windows * Power Door Locks * AM/FM CD w/ 4 speakers - 120 W * Tilt Steering * 60/40 Split-Fold down Rear Seat * Integrated multi-display including speedometer, tachometer, outside temperature, charge/assist, instantaneous FCD … * Rear Defrost   Safety   NHTSA:   Front Driver and Passenger – Frontal Impact: 5/5 stars Front Seat/Rear Seat – Side Impact: 5/4 stars Rollover Resistance: 4 Stars   IIHS (2001 – 2004 Civic’s): The highest rating of (G) - Good all the way across.   ___Good Luck   ___Wayne R. Gerdes
#12 of 336 prius vs Corolla by veggieburger Nov 30, 2003 (10:17 pm)
Since the Corolla is 3/4 the price of a base Prius it's safe to say that if you want fuel economy and a "decently equiped" car but don't care so much about the techno features then it's hard-pressed to say the Prius is a better car because (best guess for now) at worst it gives 10% better and best it gives 40%(!) better than the corolla w/auto.   40% better is pretty good, I have to admit.
#13 of 336 by xcel Nov 30, 2003 (10:27 pm)
Hi All:   ___Here are the 0 to 60 mph times …   03 Honda Civic Hybrid w/ CVT:_______13.5 seconds - Consumer Reports/Motor Trend 04 Toyota Prius w/ CVT:____________10.2 seconds - Auto Week 03 Toyota Corolla w/ Auto___________9.8 seconds - Consumer Reports 03 Toyota Camry LE w/ Auto:________9.5 seconds - Motor Trend   ___Here are some 60 to 0 mph baking distances:   04 Toyota Prius w/ CVT:____________142 Feet - Motor Week 03 Honda Civic Hybrid w/ CVT:_______133 feet - Consumer Reports/Motor Trend 03 Toyota Corolla w/ Auto___________128 Feet - Motor Trend 03 Toyota Camry LE w/ Auto:________128 feet - Motor Week   ___Interior noise levels at 70 mph:   04 Toyota Prius w/ CVT:____________??? 03 Honda Civic Hybrid w/ CVT:_______73 dB(A) - Car and Driver 03 Toyota Camry LE w/ MANUAL?:___73 dB(A) - Car and Driver 03 Toyota Corolla w/ Auto___________70 dB(A) - Car and Driver   ___Good Luck   ___Wayne R. Gerdes
#14 of 336 fuel economy efforts by veggieburger Nov 30, 2003 (10:29 pm)
If the primary goal of a prius/hybrid buyer is to reduce fuel consumption, reduce emissions etc then the best advice for a non-rich person would be to buy a Toyota Echo (or similar car). The Echo has even better MPG than the corolla and as exel mentioned previously, with good driving habits, tire pressure etc you can do better than the EPA ratings for MPG.   It seems obvious to me that hybrids are not a giant leap in solving our fuel burning problems. We need folks to drive more fuel efficient cars, even if that means buying a medium size SUV instead of a huge SUV.   Recently one (or 2) of the American car companies said they'd be coming out engines that shut off half the engine when the power is not needed. Since many of the cars on the road consume so much gas (compared to the prius/civic) the fuel saved from these types of engines would far out-save the current hybrid offerings. Fortunately, they can possibly combine both types of engines.
#15 of 336 civic hybrid by veggieburger Nov 30, 2003 (10:41 pm)
xcel,   I'd have to agree with you that the civic hybrid is truly outclassed by the 2004 prius. I suspect honda may have to make some changes or reduce the price in about a year or so in order to compete. Until then the under-supply of 2004 prius will probably keep the civic hybrid selling to those who really want a hybrid immediately.   I'm sure it's too early now to see the effect of 2004 prius on civc hybrid sales but have you heard anything about whether the civic hybrid is making the EPA ratings of 47-48 MPG?

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