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#312 of 336 Re: Toyota Priuses versus the City car [jrbldr] by midnightcowboy Mar 13, 2006 (5:42 am)
Replying to: jrbldr (Mar 12, 2006 5:56 pm) jrbldr said:   "You miss the point entirely. People buy a hybrid to make an environmental statement about their concern for the planet and to use as little fuel as possible, whether the additional investment pays back or not."   Your opinion, okay. But most people and the adverstisements are still hawking the mileage savings ... which really don't exist.   Let me ask you a question and answer it honestly. How many of the people that want to use as little fule as possible have installed solar water heaters, solar electric panels, and wind electric genrators on their houses, only use a push non-gas lawnmower, and ride a bicycle for all short trips where possible? If they really want to 'use as little fuel as possilbe' the answer would be yes to all of these. My guess the real answer is only tenths of one percent.   I decided I did not WANT to put up with the sacrifices required to drive a Hybrid. I economize and practice good business money managmeent, but gas is only a minor expense in the big picture.   Double Sixes,   MidcOW   P.S.- If you are really interested in reducing polution replace coal electric generation with nulcear! Go nuclear!
#313 of 336 Try living in Australia by davhan Mar 18, 2006 (4:09 am)
Hybrids do make a lot of sense in Australia.   Fuel prices in Australia are = $6.00 to $6.50 per gallon for standard!!!   Plug that into your pay back data and see what happens.   I've just purchased a 2006 Honda Civic Hybrid for that reason.   Honda Civic Hybrid $35k (on the road)   Prius $41k (on the road) Replies to this message: gagrice (Mar 18, 2006 5:58 am) davhan (May 08, 2006 4:05 pm) gagrice (May 08, 2006 6:28 pm)
#314 of 336 Re: Try living in Australia [davhan] by gagrice Mar 18, 2006 (5:58 am)
Replying to: davhan (Mar 18, 2006 4:09 am) Welcome to the forum.   You live in a country I would love to visit. Keep us posted on how you like the Civic Hybrid. By comparison what does diesel cost in Melbourne? Gary Replies to this message: davhan (May 08, 2006 4:05 pm) gagrice (May 08, 2006 6:28 pm)
#315 of 336 prius vs. golf tdi by coalburner Mar 24, 2006 (6:49 am)
well, now that i have owned both of these fuel miserly cars for a while, i think i'm in a good position to compare them for other people. 1-both cars have been getting about 50mpg with me and my girlfriend driving them. 2-the prius has a MUCH bigger back seat (front seat and hatch area feel about the same size) 3-both of the vehicles accelerate about the same (the golf is a little faster, but feels much quicker because of the manual transmission) 4-the bright red prius has much more curb appeal than the anthracite blue golf 5- the golf keeps it's 50 mpg rate at 75 mph. the prius doesn't 6- the prius is MUCH easier to drive in heavy traffic than the manual transmission golf. 7- the prius has more high tech gadgets, but the golf gadgets and accessories have been more well thought out. 8- the diesel vw golf can tow a 1300 lb trailer at highway speeds with no difficulty. the prius can't. 9- the diesel isn't nearly as fun as the prius 0n 5 degree fahrenheit mornings as i back up through the cloud of smoke made by the ice cold diesel engine. 10- i run 20% biodiesel in my golf, i can only run 10% ethanol in the prius. 11- on an overflowing tank of diesel i can travel over 800 miles in the golf, i only seem to be getting about 450 miles to the tank on the prius.(cold fuel bladder seems to keep the tank capacity well under 10 gallons) 12 the golf cost 20,300 (list price, no deals), the prius cost a little over 24,000 (also list, no deals)   each of these cars has shown itself to be suited for different jobs and we use them for such. heavy hauling gets done by the golf long road trips at 80mph get done in the golf commutes through rush hour traffic get done in the prius. driving somewhere with 4 people definitely gets done in the prius.
#316 of 336 History of the Hybrids by engnrng Apr 02, 2006 (9:42 pm)
Although Toyota first introduced the Prius in 1997, Honda was first in North America with the Insight in 1999. The present Prius is actually Toyota's 3rd generation in the marketplace. However, the Toyota Synergy system using the highly efficient Atkinson cycle gas engine (compression ratio 13:1) and 2 electric motor/generators was first developed and patented by good old Americans in El Segundo California working for TRW automotive systems in 1974. Of course, they couldn't interest anyone in Detroit in the technology, so it died until Toyota picked it up and made it work during the mid-1990's. BTW, I proudly averaged 45 mpg in mixed driving of my Prius during the first 25,000 miles. My wife started driving it and averaged 49 mpg, with a little more highway driving. Needless to say, I have been taking lessons... My primary motivation for buying a Prius was/is the low emissions (EV-1 was no longer available), and, yes, I do have solar electric at my house, along with solar hot water. I test drove a new RX 400h for over 15 miles, averaged 28 mpg on combination driving. Seemed nice but a little noisy until I made sure the 3 back seat latches were properly caught.   Have Fun!
#317 of 336 Re: Cost of Hybrids miscalculated! [ateixeira] by swtore Apr 03, 2006 (9:47 am)
Replying to: ateixeira (Mar 10, 2006 8:15 am) They also had the wrong price for the Civic EX used for comparison to the HCH, and intetionally used conservative fuel economy numers for the hybrids, assuming most buyers will drive them like they do. Most hybrid owners, as opposed to the average driver, will likely try to optimize their FE by revising their habits to the suit the car. Replies to this message: ateixeira (Apr 03, 2006 9:49 am)
#318 of 336 Re: Cost of Hybrids miscalculated! [swtore] by ateixeira Apr 03, 2006 (9:49 am)
Replying to: swtore (Apr 03, 2006 9:47 am) Agreed, but those same buyers would do the same with an efficient gas car. So that might sway the numbers unfairly the other way.   -juice
#319 of 336 Re: Cost of Hybrids miscalculated! [bravoq] by simonru Apr 05, 2006 (9:36 pm)
Replying to: bravoq (Mar 09, 2006 3:27 pm) How could they have messed this up?! Don't they do that for a living? I feel so betrayed. Makes me wonder if the Big Three pay them off. This is the second front page report within 12 months that claimed hybrids are rip offs. Issuing a statement just doesn't cut it, the damage is already done. My coworker was quoting this report the other day to defend his argument...   Moreover, comparing Prius with Corolla is just not fair. Corolla is like that box building off the street. Prius is a design breakthrough, a collectible museum piece, a chick magnet... Alright I exaggerate a bit but you get my point
#320 of 336 Custom Stereo in Civic vs. Prius? by vanbast Apr 17, 2006 (5:35 pm)
I am interested in transfering the CD/radio unit and speakers from my 96 Camry into my new car, which is likely to be either the Civic or the Prius. Has any user out there attempted something similar, and with what result? Given that the stereo is integral part of the dashboard in both cars, is this even possible? I appreciate any pointers or recommendations. Thanks.
#321 of 336 2006 Prius Otpion package 8 by bvisailman1 Apr 25, 2006 (6:44 am)
After months of research I ordered a 2006 Prius in February. It took 6 weeks to get the exact color and option package I wanted. Paid MSRP of course. There has been much written about the mileage and comparison to non hybrids (mainly the corolla). However this car was built from the Ground up as a hybrid. I sold my 1999 Lexus GS 300 to buy this car. it is as close to a luxury automobile that you can find and it has features one woould expect only on a Luxury car such as Navigation, leather, backup camera, keyless operation, HID lights, I could go on an on. If anyone reading this wants more information from owners, there is a great website : Priuschat.com There you will find out everything you can on the Prius. My first tank of gas I got 48.6 MPG and the second I got 62.3 MPG in a mix of city and highway driving Love this car....My wife is still getting used to it and told me the steering wheel is like steering with a bagel....I am sure after filling the tank a few times with only 9 or 10 gallons after driving over 400 miles, she will love the Bagel steering

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