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Replying to: butterfly0fdoo (Mar 05, 2006 10:08 pm) Quoted: "In our analysis, none of the six hybrids we have tested recovered its price premium in the first five years and 75,000 miles of ownership (see Hybrids vs. all gas). Nor did any when the analysis was extended to 10 years and 150,000 miles. Rather, extra ownership costs over five years ranged from $3,700 to $13,300. " Out of 6 hybirds they tested ,NONE were more cost effective after five years than their equvalent non-Hybrid models. I find it humorous that the Prius no equivalent is equated to the Corolla. Lucky I didn't buy a hydrid, becuase who in their right might lake's to drive like thier grandmother  Double Sixes, MidCow
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CR made a small error in their calcs: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/14045918.htm ``We deeply regret the error,'' Rik Paul, the magazine's automotive editor, said in the statement. 
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Replying to: bravoq (Mar 09, 2006 3:27 pm) 75,000 miles from now, there will be many more new hybrid options out on the road, it's very difficult to guess what they will be worth once there is more competition out there. We also don't know what gas prices will do, they have fluctuated wildly in the past couple of years. That also affects resale values and operating costs. -juice
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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Mar 06, 2006 7:31 am)
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Replying to: jrbldr (Mar 12, 2006 5:56 pm) "You miss the point entirely. People buy a hybrid to make an environmental statement about their concern for the planet and to use as little fuel as possible, whether the additional investment pays back or not." Your opinion, okay. But most people and the adverstisements are still hawking the mileage savings ... which really don't exist. Let me ask you a question and answer it honestly. How many of the people that want to use as little fule as possible have installed solar water heaters, solar electric panels, and wind electric genrators on their houses, only use a push non-gas lawnmower, and ride a bicycle for all short trips where possible? If they really want to 'use as little fuel as possilbe' the answer would be yes to all of these. My guess the real answer is only tenths of one percent. I decided I did not WANT to put up with the sacrifices required to drive a Hybrid. I economize and practice good business money managmeent, but gas is only a minor expense in the big picture. Double Sixes, MidcOW P.S.- If you are really interested in reducing polution replace coal electric generation with nulcear! Go nuclear! |
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Hybrids do make a lot of sense in Australia. Fuel prices in Australia are = $6.00 to $6.50 per gallon for standard!!! Plug that into your pay back data and see what happens. I've just purchased a 2006 Honda Civic Hybrid for that reason. Honda Civic Hybrid $35k (on the road) Prius $41k (on the road)
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Replying to: davhan (Mar 18, 2006 4:09 am) You live in a country I would love to visit. Keep us posted on how you like the Civic Hybrid. By comparison what does diesel cost in Melbourne? Gary
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well, now that i have owned both of these fuel miserly cars for a while, i think i'm in a good position to compare them for other people. 1-both cars have been getting about 50mpg with me and my girlfriend driving them. 2-the prius has a MUCH bigger back seat (front seat and hatch area feel about the same size) 3-both of the vehicles accelerate about the same (the golf is a little faster, but feels much quicker because of the manual transmission) 4-the bright red prius has much more curb appeal than the anthracite blue golf 5- the golf keeps it's 50 mpg rate at 75 mph. the prius doesn't 6- the prius is MUCH easier to drive in heavy traffic than the manual transmission golf. 7- the prius has more high tech gadgets, but the golf gadgets and accessories have been more well thought out. 8- the diesel vw golf can tow a 1300 lb trailer at highway speeds with no difficulty. the prius can't. 9- the diesel isn't nearly as fun as the prius 0n 5 degree fahrenheit mornings as i back up through the cloud of smoke made by the ice cold diesel engine. 10- i run 20% biodiesel in my golf, i can only run 10% ethanol in the prius. 11- on an overflowing tank of diesel i can travel over 800 miles in the golf, i only seem to be getting about 450 miles to the tank on the prius.(cold fuel bladder seems to keep the tank capacity well under 10 gallons) 12 the golf cost 20,300 (list price, no deals), the prius cost a little over 24,000 (also list, no deals) each of these cars has shown itself to be suited for different jobs and we use them for such. heavy hauling gets done by the golf long road trips at 80mph get done in the golf commutes through rush hour traffic get done in the prius. driving somewhere with 4 people definitely gets done in the prius. |
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