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Re: Toyota Priuses versus the City car [prelude2] by butterfly0fdoo
Mar 05, 2006 (10:08 pm)

Replying to: prelude2 (Jan 30, 2006 8:59 am)

Prelude2, most publications currently laud Toyota as the leaders in hybrid technology, and, like mk004 said, the Prius is the actual first mass-produced hybrid, having been sold since 1997. Also, the Prius CAN achieve, even surpass 60 mpg, so long as you drive more like one's grandmother than one's adolescent son. The mileage isn't propaganda-- companies are required by law to publish EPA mileage estimates; Toyota and Honda have acknowledged that the EPA estimates are misleading, but it's also not the manufacturer's fault that American consumers are so stupid and ignorant sometimes.
 
Oh, and I've seen countelss advertisements for Honda's hybrids (much more than for Toyota's hybrids).
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Re: Toyota Priuses versus the City car [butterfly0fdoo] by midnightcowboy
Mar 06, 2006 (7:31 am)

Replying to: butterfly0fdoo (Mar 05, 2006 10:08 pm)

Read the lastest Consumer Reports article about the "The dollars & sense of hybrids".
 
Quoted: "In our analysis, none of the six hybrids we have tested recovered its price premium in the first five years and 75,000 miles of ownership (see Hybrids vs. all gas). Nor did any when the analysis was extended to 10 years and 150,000 miles. Rather, extra ownership costs over five years ranged from $3,700 to $13,300. "
 
Out of 6 hybirds they tested ,NONE were more cost effective after five years than their equvalent non-Hybrid models.
 
I find it humorous that the Prius no equivalent is equated to the Corolla.
 
Lucky I didn't buy a hydrid, becuase who in their right might lake's to drive like thier grandmother
 
Double Sixes,
 
MidCow
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Cost of Hybrids miscalculated! by bravoq
Mar 09, 2006 (3:27 pm)
CR made a small error in their calcs:
 
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/business/14045918.htm
 
``We deeply regret the error,'' Rik Paul, the magazine's automotive editor, said in the statement.
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Re: Cost of Hybrids miscalculated! [bravoq] by ateixeira
Mar 10, 2006 (8:15 am)

Replying to: bravoq (Mar 09, 2006 3:27 pm)

They are still making a lot of assumptions, one big one being that hybrids will maintain the high residuals they've enjoyed so far.
 
75,000 miles from now, there will be many more new hybrid options out on the road, it's very difficult to guess what they will be worth once there is more competition out there.
 
We also don't know what gas prices will do, they have fluctuated wildly in the past couple of years. That also affects resale values and operating costs.
 
-juice
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Re: Toyota Priuses versus the City car [midnightcowboy] by jrbldr
Mar 12, 2006 (5:56 pm)

Replying to: midnightcowboy (Mar 06, 2006 7:31 am)

You miss the point entirely. People buy a hybrid to make an environmental statement about their concern for the planet and to use as little fuel as possible, whether the additional investment pays back or not. Global warming from greenhouse emissions is widely acknowledged to be an accelerating phenomena that will take decades to stabilize even if we begin to decrease CO2 emissions immediately. With this knowledge, purchasing a vehicle or anything else that wastes fossil fuels unnecessarily would seem to be pretty selfish.
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Re: Toyota Priuses versus the City car [jrbldr] by midnightcowboy
Mar 13, 2006 (5:42 am)

Replying to: jrbldr (Mar 12, 2006 5:56 pm)

jrbldr said:
 
"You miss the point entirely. People buy a hybrid to make an environmental statement about their concern for the planet and to use as little fuel as possible, whether the additional investment pays back or not."
 
Your opinion, okay. But most people and the adverstisements are still hawking the mileage savings ... which really don't exist.
 
Let me ask you a question and answer it honestly. How many of the people that want to use as little fule as possible have installed solar water heaters, solar electric panels, and wind electric genrators on their houses, only use a push non-gas lawnmower, and ride a bicycle for all short trips where possible? If they really want to 'use as little fuel as possilbe' the answer would be yes to all of these. My guess the real answer is only tenths of one percent.
 
I decided I did not WANT to put up with the sacrifices required to drive a Hybrid. I economize and practice good business money managmeent, but gas is only a minor expense in the big picture.
 
Double Sixes,
 
MidcOW
 
P.S.- If you are really interested in reducing polution replace coal electric generation with nulcear! Go nuclear!
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Try living in Australia by davhan
Mar 18, 2006 (4:09 am)
Hybrids do make a lot of sense in Australia.
 
Fuel prices in Australia are = $6.00 to $6.50 per gallon for standard!!!
 
Plug that into your pay back data and see what happens.
 
I've just purchased a 2006 Honda Civic Hybrid for that reason.
 
Honda Civic Hybrid $35k (on the road)
 
Prius $41k (on the road)

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