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In deciding which car to buy or which car is better you have to decide what the criteria are. There is no 1 set that is going to satisfy everyone - that's quite reasonable. Possible criteria items are: 1. MPG 2. Emissions (ground-level or earth-warming) 3. Acceleration ( 0-60 etc) 4. PRICE! (MSRP, TMV price) 5. Total cost of ownership 6. Equipment (sunroof, automatic windows etc) 7. Safety features and performance data etc etc Some things are going to be valued as nothing to some folks who don't care about that item - no use trying to change their views through insults. |
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Edmunds says that the total cost, measured in $/mile, is very close between Prius and Corolla. So, is Edmunds right? Every other evaluation I saw said the Prius costs more and you'll never make up the difference through the fuel efficiency savings. We'll need to "run the numbers" and check their calculations, data and assumptions. Personally, I'm not sure which to go with (never mind that it's hard to actually get one's hands on a 2004 prius since they're selling so well). I hate dealing with car problems and I'd hate to deal with fixing a 2004 prius since most mechanics, including toyota dealships, would not be experienced with fixing Prius-like cars. Corolla or Civic is much safer bet - plus it seems like the difference in MPG may not be much. I, and a lot of other potential buyers, do not drive long enough commutes to where the difference in MPG or gallons saved would actually be accomplishing much. We could buy it "to make a statement" but it would be silly if my statement is saying I'm saving 1 gallon per month buy buying a hybrid vs a regular ICE car. |
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We noticed on the other forum(s) that no one was comparing the 2004 prius to the civic hybrid - from the matter of alternative purchase vehicles at least. Now, besides the obvious answer of "because the Prius is so much better" is there more explicit explanations of this? Since I currently like my Integra hatchback, I could deal with the low entry trunk openings of the civic or corolla but the fact that the seats do not fold in the civic hybrid is a non-starter for me. Darn!! |
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dont know if this is reality or not but: http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat- _code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=06998804 |
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> Corolla or Civic is much safer bet It's nothing but a bet though... since no data is available about the 2004 Prius yet, which is a completely new frame & body design. JOHN |
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Hi All: ___An 04 Corolla LE w/ the following can be purchased for $14,900. * 4 Speed Automatic (ECT) Electronically Controlled Transmission * A/C - mechanical * Anti-Lock brakes * (DRL’s) Day Time Running Lights * Cruise Control * Power Mirrors * Driver’s Side Seat Height Adjuster * Power Windows * Power Door Locks * AM/FM CD w/ 6 speakers * Keyless Entry Remotes * Cast Aluminum Alloy rims * Tilt Steering * 60/40 Split-Fold down Rear Seat * Integrated display including speedometer, tachometer, outside temperature … * Rear Defrost Safety NHTSA: Front Driver and Passenger – Frontal Impact: 5 stars Front Seat/Rear Seat – Side Impact: 4 stars Rollover Resistance: 4 Stars IIHS: The highest rating of (G) - Good all the way across. ___Who knows what the 04 Prius will rate but hopefully it will be better then the NHTSA’s 02-03 Prius tests with 3, 4, 3, 3, 4 ratings … Although there is a bet that it has improved, the 04’s crash worthiness was considered in its design and should rate at least 4 and possibly 5 stars across the board. ___As for the Honda Civic Hybrid, it is truly outclassed in this game. It had the edge against the 01-03 Prius but not the 04 given it still costs more in a comparable trim. The 01 – 03 Prius wasn’t close against the 03/04 Corolla either but the 04 is a comparable vehicle with its greater size and closer to std. economy class power IMHO. ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes |
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Hi All: ___An 04 Toyota Camry LE w/ the following can be purchased for $17,900. * 4 Speed Automatic (ECT) Electronically Controlled Transmission * A/C - mechanical * Anti-Lock brakes * (DRL’s) Day Time Running Lights * Cruise Control * Power Mirrors * Driver’s Side Seat Height Adjuster and Lumbar support * Power Windows * Power Door Locks * AM/FM CD w/ 6 speakers * Keyless Entry Remotes * Tilt Steering * 60/40 Split-Fold down Rear Seat * Integrated display including speedometer, tachometer, outside temperature … * Rear Defrost Safety NHTSA (2003 Camry): Front Driver and Passenger – Frontal Impact: 5/4 stars Front Seat/Rear Seat – Side Impact: 3/5 stars Rollover Resistance: 4 Stars IIHS: The highest rating of (G) - Good all the way across except for an (A) – Average for Leg/Foot – Right side. ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes |
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Hi All: ___An 04 Honda Civic Hybrid w/ the following can be purchased for ~ $19,700. * CVT (Continuously Variable Transmission) * Automatic Climate-Control with Electric A/C * Anti-Lock brakes * Cruise Control * Power Mirrors * Driver’s Side Seat Height Adjuster * Power Windows * Power Door Locks * AM/FM CD w/ 4 speakers - 120 W * Tilt Steering * 60/40 Split-Fold down Rear Seat * Integrated multi-display including speedometer, tachometer, outside temperature, charge/assist, instantaneous FCD … * Rear Defrost Safety NHTSA: Front Driver and Passenger – Frontal Impact: 5/5 stars Front Seat/Rear Seat – Side Impact: 5/4 stars Rollover Resistance: 4 Stars IIHS (2001 – 2004 Civic’s): The highest rating of (G) - Good all the way across. ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes |
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Since the Corolla is 3/4 the price of a base Prius it's safe to say that if you want fuel economy and a "decently equiped" car but don't care so much about the techno features then it's hard-pressed to say the Prius is a better car because (best guess for now) at worst it gives 10% better and best it gives 40%(!) better than the corolla w/auto. 40% better is pretty good, I have to admit. |
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Hi All: ___Here are the 0 to 60 mph times … 03 Honda Civic Hybrid w/ CVT:_______13.5 seconds - Consumer Reports/Motor Trend 04 Toyota Prius w/ CVT:____________10.2 seconds - Auto Week 03 Toyota Corolla w/ Auto___________9.8 seconds - Consumer Reports 03 Toyota Camry LE w/ Auto:________9.5 seconds - Motor Trend ___Here are some 60 to 0 mph baking distances: 04 Toyota Prius w/ CVT:____________142 Feet - Motor Week 03 Honda Civic Hybrid w/ CVT:_______133 feet - Consumer Reports/Motor Trend 03 Toyota Corolla w/ Auto___________128 Feet - Motor Trend 03 Toyota Camry LE w/ Auto:________128 feet - Motor Week ___Interior noise levels at 70 mph: 04 Toyota Prius w/ CVT:____________??? 03 Honda Civic Hybrid w/ CVT:_______73 dB(A) - Car and Driver 03 Toyota Camry LE w/ MANUAL?:___73 dB(A) - Car and Driver 03 Toyota Corolla w/ Auto___________70 dB(A) - Car and Driver ___Good Luck ___Wayne R. Gerdes |
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