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Why dont they stop makind Diesel vehicles already. we have hybrids so move over diesels that cause asthma!!! Long live hybrids!!!
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Replying to: prelude2 (Jan 30, 2006 9:03 am) Actually, when they get clean sulphur, more compnies will import diesels into the USA besides Mercedes and VW and they will give the hybrids a run for their money! YMMV, MidCow P.S.- It has become a proven fact that for the first 5 years of their life hybrids are less economilca than an equivalent gas/diesel only car.
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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Jan 30, 2006 11:56 am) Even on ULSD as available in Europe, the cleanest Diesel in the Toyota Verso D-4D cannot touch Tier II/Bin 5. Ford and DCC have their Urea injection into an SCR but Toyota may not have that in their patent portfolio unless it was one of the techs Ford gave to them for the FEH’s eCVT/HSD tech. All you need to do is look it up. Euro IV using ULSD is 250 and 350% higher in PM and NOx over Tier II/Bin5 and Tier II/Bin5 is the worst case scenario here in the states starting next year. Damn things couldn’t be sold in CA or the other Green States this year and CA. already has ULSD available … DCC is saying they will have the Blue-Tec/SCR CAT placed in their Diesel MB’s for 50 state certification available very soon. Cleaning a CI-ICE to US emission specs is not an inexpensive proposition by any stretch. Good Luck Wayne R. Gerdes
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Replying to: xcel (Jan 30, 2006 12:24 pm)
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Replying to: midnightcowboy (Jan 30, 2006 1:12 pm) Do I have to teach you everything or do you think you can use Google to figure some of this out on your own rather then posting non-sense again and again and again? Wayne R. Gerdes
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Replying to: xcel (Feb 01, 2006 9:04 am) Cool Beans, No problem, teacher! If you don't know the answer, yes I can look it up on Google. By the way I don't think the word nonsense has a hyphen  Have a Good Day, cruis'n at FE better thna EPA  , MidCow |
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Replying to: prelude2 (Jan 30, 2006 8:59 am) Actually the Prius came out first and started selling as a 1997 model in Japan. |
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Since there are waiting lists and dealer markups on both HCH and Prius, it is a seller's market. The more info buyers have about actual selling prices, the more power they have in negotiating with dealers. Let's use this thread to give buyers more power. How much did you pay for your hybrid? In order to compare apples to apples, be sure to use the "Cash Price Vehicle" cost. This is the bare bones price without accessories, or any other taxes/fees. We bought a 2006 HCH w/o NAVI on 2/26/06 at Stevens Creek Honda, San Jose, CA, for $25,100.
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