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#292 of 336 Toyota Priuses versus the City car [Honda Civic, baby!!]
Jan 30, 2006 (8:59 am)
Some people think that the Toyota Prius is the standard by which other Hybrids are to be measured, but not me!! Who made the first Hybrid car? Obviously it was Honda in 1999 with the Insight! Everyone else saw that Honda is the leader in Hybrids so then they created their cars to compete against Honda. It is easier to make your own hybrid when you already see someone elses design. Honda might not be all over the place advertising their Hybrids, but they sure do have a better reputation than Toyota. Believe me, Honda knows where to put what in their cars in favor of the drivers convenience. If you wanna compare the Prius to the Accord or civic hybrid, there is no way. Compare it to the Insight, genius, and dont just look at the features inside. Compare it to the same hatchback bodystyle and to the gas mileage. I dont believe that a 1.5 liter engine can acheive 60 miles per gallon. It gets around 36 in the real world. In someones high gas mileage prius world, it gets that kinda mileage which serves as propaganda. So there! Have it your way, but morew people have it my way and I take the stand with Honda and not Toyota.
#293 of 336 Pop Goes the Diesel!!!
Jan 30, 2006 (9:03 am)
Why dont they stop makind Diesel vehicles already. we have hybrids so move over diesels that cause asthma!!! Long live hybrids!!!
#294 of 336 Re: Pop Goes the Diesel!!! [prelude2]
Jan 30, 2006 (11:56 am)
I assume you are talking USA becuase hyubrids are the leading economy car overseas.
Actually, when they get clean sulphur, more compnies will import diesels into the USA besides Mercedes and VW and they will give the hybrids a run for their money!
P.S.- It has become a proven fact that for the first 5 years of their life hybrids are less economilca than an equivalent gas/diesel only car.
#295 of 336 Re: Pop Goes the Diesel!!! [midnightcowboy]
Jan 30, 2006 (12:24 pm)
Even on ULSD as available in Europe, the cleanest Diesel in the Toyota Verso D-4D cannot touch Tier II/Bin 5. Ford and DCC have their Urea injection into an SCR but Toyota may not have that in their patent portfolio unless it was one of the techs Ford gave to them for the FEH’s eCVT/HSD tech. All you need to do is look it up. Euro IV using ULSD is 250 and 350% higher in PM and NOx over Tier II/Bin5 and Tier II/Bin5 is the worst case scenario here in the states starting next year. Damn things couldn’t be sold in CA or the other Green States this year and CA. already has ULSD available … DCC is saying they will have the Blue-Tec/SCR CAT placed in their Diesel MB’s for 50 state certification available very soon. Cleaning a CI-ICE to US emission specs is not an inexpensive proposition by any stretch.
Wayne R. Gerdes
#296 of 336 Re: Pop Goes the Diesel!!! [xcel]
Jan 30, 2006 (1:12 pm)
#299 of 336 Re: Pop Goes the Diesel!!! [midnightcowboy]
Feb 01, 2006 (9:04 am)
Do I have to teach you everything or do you think you can use Google to figure some of this out on your own rather then posting non-sense again and again and again?
Wayne R. Gerdes
#300 of 336 Re: Pop Goes the Diesel!!! [xcel]
Feb 01, 2006 (1:34 pm)
Cool Beans, No problem, teacher! If you don't know the answer, yes I can look it up on Google. By the way I don't think the word nonsense has a hyphen
Have a Good Day, cruis'n at FE better thna EPA ,
#301 of 336 Re: Toyota Priuses versus the City car [prelude2]
Feb 01, 2006 (4:43 pm)
Re: Who made the first Hybrid car? Obviously it was Honda in 1999 with the Insight!
Actually the Prius came out first and started selling as a 1997 model in Japan.