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#251 of 336 Re: Honda Civic Hybrid Vs. Prius [koolkinkajou]
Oct 25, 2005 (5:05 am)
I think the lack of folding rear seats is a HUGE drawback for the HCH. Neither the 2003 HCH and Prius models had folding rear seats. I drove both and wouldn't buy either for that ONE reason. Toyota wised up with the 2004 Prius, I bought one and I love it.
I was hoping Honda would wise up with the HAH but they did not. Again I was hoping they would wise up for the 2006 HCH, they did not. I HOPE Toyota STAYS wise when they put out the Hybrid Camry about a year from now.
It clearly isn't a hatchback vs sedan issue, the non hybrid Civic has folding rear seats, my '86 Mazda 626 sedan had folding rear seats, so do most other sedans so what gives? I can't believe Toyota has some patent on the 'truck' deck at the level of the top of the battery pack and a storage tray behind the battery and under the deck such that no one else can have a similar design. Even if Honda left it as is, who cares? The back (now top) of the folded rear seats would still be at or above the level of the battery compartment. So what if you have an 8" drop to the rest of the trunk area? It is sad such a little thing makes such a big difference in functionality.
#252 of 336 Re: Honda Civic Hybrid Vs. Prius [bruceha_2000]
Oct 25, 2005 (7:16 am)
A few sedans have dropped that feature to get increased rigidity. That's not an excuse for hybrids, though. Maybe to save weight?
#253 of 336 Re: Honda Civic Hybrid Vs. Prius [ateixeira]
Oct 25, 2005 (10:33 am)
"A few sedans have dropped that feature to get increased rigidity. That's not an excuse for hybrids, though. Maybe to save weight?"
I think it is for design reasons. They put the batteries in that space behind the seats, and don't have to engineer a space for battery packs. Thus Honda can use their conventional design vehicles without major modifications.
It's not such an issue with SUVs; they have more space inside. Same with the GMC hybrid pickup.
#254 of 336 Toyota Prius v. Honda Civic Hybrid
Nov 07, 2005 (6:16 pm)
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#255 of 336 Yet Another Prius vs HCH comment...
Nov 17, 2005 (10:00 am)
I have owned 3 Civics and two Accords, so my shopping started with Honda. The Civic is small for my needs (need the trunk space especially) and the Accord is too expensive, even the non-hybrid. Keeping the Civic in mind with the possibility of hybrid or not, I looked at a Prius.
The Prius had the room that I need and the functionality that I need. Certainly the non hybrid Civic would be cheaper, but it wouldnt have the space that I need. It really was as simple as that. The test-drive went fine and the car met my expectations. Certainly not a dragster, but I am not looking for a muscle car, just a car to commute with. And as I sit in traffic for too long, the Prius made sense as it turns the ICE off.
So, I asked the Honda dealer for a test drive in a non-hybrid Civic. He couldn't produce one in the trim that I was looking at, much less a hybrid. What bothered me is that he then told me that I didn't need a hybrid and that Honda only made hybrids to compete with Toyota.
I then asked the Toyota dealer for a test drive in a Prius. It happened within 3 days. The Prius provides the room that I need; the Civic (hybrid or otherwise) doesnt. Mine is currently on order. Sure, it is more expensive, but it is a better car. As far as the HCH, I didn't like the idea of a belt-driven transmission. I have had some 'negative experience' with Hondas and belts.
#256 of 336 Re: Yet Another Prius vs HCH comment... [looking4prius]
Nov 17, 2005 (2:12 pm)
You ought to find a Honda dealer willing to give you a test drive in a HCH. It is much improved over the 05. It is also a very nice looking sedan! I know a few people that have already driven them, but they still prefer their Prius (another forum forbidden to be linked). Can't hurt to try one so that you know for sure you made the right decision. Good luck!!!
#257 of 336 Re: Yet Another Prius vs HCH comment... [looking4prius]
Nov 18, 2005 (7:29 am)
" ... Accord is too expensive, even the non-hybrid"
" .. (Prius) Sure, it is more expensive, but it is a better car. "
Based on what you stated, you should not get a Prius, but you should get a LX Accord or Special Editon Accord instead. They are much less expensive to purchase than even the base Prius. If TCO is one of your key criteria, which it appears to be, then the Prius will not pay off!
Your "better car" will end up costing you a lot more!
#258 of 336 Re: Yet Another Prius vs HCH comment... [midnightcowboy]
Nov 18, 2005 (10:26 am)
Have to think about that one...
#259 of 336 Re: Yet Another Prius vs HCH comment... [looking4prius]
Nov 18, 2005 (10:37 am)
Ok, did some looking and some comparing. My Honda dealer was selling Accord EX (non-hybrid) at $30k, LX at $25k. Other Honda dealers have quoted me similar prices. Granted, the Accord has more room. Still, the price would be a wash. So I will be going with the Prius, if only to have a different model/make of car for a change!
#260 of 336 Re: Yet Another Prius vs HCH comment... [looking4prius]
Nov 18, 2005 (11:07 am)
If you get the Prius..take delivery in Jan to take advantage of the tax credit of ~3k.