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Ford Five Hundred, Mercury Montego, Sedan
Feb 13, 2006 (6:22 pm)
It seems that the Lincoln MKS version of the cars will not be out until late 2008, so I wonder if the revised Five Hundred, Montego, and Freestyle will even make it out in 2007? Chrysler sales are faltering and Toyota and so forth are not sitting still, so it is very difficult to understand why Ford is not moving faster. Maybe they don't think the revisions will make a significant difference in sales?
Feb 13, 2006 (6:28 pm)
Your timing is way off......
That's all I can say about that...
Expect the Five Hundred/Montego for MY 2008 to come out in early calendar year 2007, about a year from now.
As for the MKS, my lips are sealed....
#3081 of 3623 Slipping Schedule
Feb 13, 2006 (9:52 pm)
John, I hope they do come out in early 2007, or sooner. It seems as if the MKS introduction is slipping badly, so that may indicate that Ford is having problems funding the new and revised models.
#3082 of 3623 Re: Slipping Schedule [fsmmcsi]
Feb 14, 2006 (6:45 am)
The revised 500 is due one year from now...as an early 2008. There has already been a photo, but I cannot find it right now. Unfortunately, they are stuck with the same dumpy profile. The front end is a clone of the Fusion. In addition, there is a line of chrome running the length of the bottom of the side windows with the window frames being body colored. It looks better overall.
Ford needs to offer the 3.5 in it, and start advertising it heavily. There is no reason that the similarly sized and similarly bland Impala should be selling three times as many units. Impala offers more engine choices, but not as much room and no AWD. How strange that Ford just lets Chevy have this market without a fight.
Feb 14, 2006 (8:03 am)
1) Ford came up with the so-called innovation called Lincoln Zephyr – and a year after its’ release, it will get a re-design and a “new” 3.5L V6! Wow – does any one understand what Ford is doing?? They are desperately playing catch up! But the long awaited 3.5L v6 won’t save them, because Toyota and Nissan has run away with it a Long time ago!!!
2) Zephyr is so pathetic – it is not even funny – can it compete with the likes of G35 or the IS350 or the TL – the answer is a solid NO. It is a piece of junk in comparison to those fine automobiles.
3) The so called innovation is a Mazda 6, which by the way comes with better warranty and service than a mercury Milan or the Fusion. Plus it gets a 6 speed manumatic transmission and more HP, then the Fusion. SO WHY SHOULD ONE BUY A FUSION? The answer is: if you want lot’s of fake plastic chrome and piano-like interior – buy the Fusion.
4) The ford Five hundred, hm. what a dud! Too slow, too boring and not well equipped for the competition. Possesses the reflexes of a cow and the AWD that is totally overrated BTW is just a sales pitch. Hyundai Azera is 10 times better than the 500, it has more power, more style and much ,much better interior. Sells for less (comparably equipped, if there is such a thing) and boasts a much better warranty. So why should one buy a 500? Why not buy a Charger SXT with a 3.5L 250HP V6, and smoke the 500 with a better looking, and better handling while selling for less? Safety ratings : the 500 has everyone beat, but what is exactly the difference between the safety of the 500 and the competition, is it really that much safer than the rest that it is in the class of it’s own? – NO it is NOT.
Ford is going down, it is closing plants and closing dealerships, while Bill Ford is on TV, every 5 freaking min. Feeding us with his PR crap. I mean common ford. It’s time to fold’em. Ford F-150 and Mustang will not keep it afloat for long.
Exploder is not selling at all, and the rest of the fleet is not even worth talking about.
The 3.5L v6 is only about 3 years too late. Ford should have bought it from Nissan back in 2002, when the new Altima and Maxima came out with the 3.5 VQ – the best v6 ever!
Feb 14, 2006 (8:41 am)
Thank you for your post. You are obviously frustrated with Ford.
1) Of course they are trying to play catchup. No one is trying to catch them. Relax. Either they will improve or a lot of heads will roll.
2)Zephyr isn't "junk" so much as outclassed by much of the competition. (It could be a great Mercury.) It is selling, so that will help Ford keep Lincoln afloat until better products come along.
3) The Mazda6 that has more hp than the Fusion only comes with a 6 speed manual. The Fusion has more room, so some will choose it over the 6 for that reason alone.
4) Yes, the 500 has been duddy so far, but whose yardstick determined the Azera is 10 times better? Four or five times better sounds better enough. (And I still say the Impala's styling is at least as big a snoozer.)
Ford is shrinking, but they are still making money. On the world stage, they have some bright spots (Land Rover, Volvo, Aston). Yes, I am mad at them too for screwing up their American line-up so badly, F150 and Mustang notwithstanding. But they did, so now they have to eat what they served.
But they are not going away soon; there are better products in the pipeline. As to whether these will be competitive by the time they reach salesrooms is another story...but as I say, look across the street at the Chevy showroom where they are presently cleaning Ford's clock with two average products in the full-size and compact segments: the Impala and the Cobalt.
Seriously, Ford has made it through even worse product line-ups in the past. However, I don't think Mercury is going to make it this time. It's toast. No Chrysler-style comeback for them. Back in the day, Mercury could sell 400,000 to 600,000 vehicles a year.
#3085 of 3623 Re: [gregg_vw]
Feb 14, 2006 (9:02 am)
You are right, I am frustrated with Ford - and it shows
I agree that Mercury is going to go.
I have owned 1 Ford and 2 Mercury's - they were all POS.
I will never give Ford a penny, until they prove to me that they are making great cars and that they really do care about the customer, no just another PR stunt from Bill.
They promise innovation but deliver yesterday's news.
Look at Toyota and Nissan for innovation.
#3086 of 3623 Re: Slipping Schedule [gregg_vw]
Feb 14, 2006 (10:03 am)
To me, the Five Hundred and Montego are classy and far nicer looking than the Impala with its Malibu front, drooping muffler(s) in back, and visible rear suspension bits identical to those I saw under mid-sized GM cars in the middle 1980s when that chasis was introduced. However, the Impala, as with the GM trucks, does have a much wider and better engine lineup than do the competing Ford vehicles. The rear and sides of the Five Hundred are just fine, except that the rear of the Montego is better. The Five Hundred grille looks better than the one on the Montego, but both will surely look much better with the new front ends. Plus, Ford is wise enough to offer a wagon version of the Five Hundred (the Freestyle), a vehicle with a wonderfully useful interior (and one which would have much better sales if it was called the Five Hundred wagon to get rid of the association with the Freestar).
The Five Hundred / Montego do have many excellent features, such as the excellent AWD, excellent safety ratings, excellent trunk space, and excellent interior space. Unfortunately, the few things they lack have been holding them back - a fancier front end, better foot and leg space for the driver, a telescoping steering column, a smoother and quieter engine, and simple features such as Bluetooth, Satelite radio, dimming exterior mirrors, rain sensing wipers, and such. The revised versions should fix all of that, but why are they waiting so long?
Think about this. Selling parts, and not just routine maintenance parts, for Toy-Awful-A vehicles is a big business, a direct conflict with their claims of being reliable. I won't ever touch one again after loosing over $8,000 having to sell a mal-designed Sienna after just 4,500 miles.
#3087 of 3623 Re: Slipping Schedule [fsmmcsi]
Feb 14, 2006 (10:40 am)
I always thought the same thing...that they should have called it the Ford 500 wagon, instead of Freestyle, but I guess the marketing guys at Ford thought the association to Freestar was better then "wagon," since no-one sells "wagons" anymore.
Feb 14, 2006 (10:56 am)
The 500 does need a bigger engine and a few other modifications, but let's not sing the praises of the Charger. It is ugly, claustrophobic inside, has an unpleasant ride, somewhat clumsy handling, a sterile interior.