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Ford Five Hundred, Mercury Montego, Sedan
#289 of 3623 wallflowering
Jan 23, 2004 (5:06 pm)
I've been a silent observer on this board for some time now, but there are a few comments about this promising vehicle that I'd like to make.
Styling: So much debate. Who cares? Styling is subjective, so why bother arguing whether it will sell because its bland, wont sell because its bland, etc. Personally, I do not see the "Audi/VW influence in the front". I think Ford is using Freestar headlights on this baby, cause thats the only vehicle I see when I see a "head shot".
Power: Yes, the 3.5L is coming... eventually. Do we have any concrete power and torque figures yet? Until then, I could care less how many speeds the transmission has, or hasnt in the case of the CVT. 200 foot lbs will be adequate for a 3650 vehicle, let alone the 3800 AWD version.
Calling it anything more than adequate, IMO, is a stretch.
Pricing: If this car tops $33K fully dressed for the evening gown competition, its going to face a BIG sales hurdle. Chrysler's 300 class is also full size, offers a bigger V6 (as well as a V8), and will be a strong competitor. Though little is known, I would imagine the 2005 Avalon will be stiff competition as well, and Toyota has the added benefit of knowing about the Five Hundred and 300 class prior to telling the press anything about the next Avalon.
Interior: Looks like high quality materials will be used throughout, and kudos to Ford for good engineering- spades of space are available, at least on paper. However, the design of the dash leaves much to be desired, and like those stolen headlights, seems to have much in common with the Freestar (itself apparently penned in the 1980s.) The Freestyle has a slick looking dash, why could the Ford folks not endow the Five Hundred similarly?
Safety: Seems to have the requirements. Will the side airbags/curtains be standard in the SEL and Limited models? Is stability control standard anywhere? Or even available? I did not see it in the media guide, though I only looked when it was initially posted.
Finally- NAV should really be an option, if Ford truly wishes to play in the upper echelon of the large family sedan class.
Overall, without seeing reviews or having driven it personally (obviously, too early for either), I'd say its a promising effort, but I'm not convinced it will be enough. Maybe for Ford it will be enough (to turn a moderate profit), but this seems not to be a class leader like the Focus. It seems to be a competitive entry, but a fully executed design.... I am still left wondering.
#290 of 3623 For what its worth
Jan 23, 2004 (6:15 pm)
A 2005 Chrysler 300 Touring (w/K pkg)
MSRPs as follows:
Base Price including dest. $29890
Luxury Group $2190
Protection Group $590
Power Adj. Pedals $125
(I chose the 300 Limited and not the 300C, because the 300C has that killer Hemi V8, and the Five-Hundred barely offers a V6. I also left out the NAV on this example, since the Five-Hundred doesnt offer it).
Jan 23, 2004 (7:52 pm)
"they are cheaper to produce and majority of customer's won't even care."
until they drive the competition.
as far the Colorado, why didn't make the trailblazer in line 6 available?
I didn't mean to say the interior of the Mondeo was bloated, but that 500 looked a bit puffy. The Mondeo quite possibly has the most attractive sedan interior going, and OOPS! its not here! Ford missed it big time by not bringing over this car, even as a mercury.
And Cline telling ME I'M NOT the target. Like he's my spouse. Surely he must know my last 3 big car purchases have been Fords (2 TauriSHO and a Tbird). Or maybe he just thinks he knows. Perhpas a 500 might interest me. Not with a 3.0 Duratec under the hood. Hey cline, buy a new car already before the Impala dies, and get one with some back seat room!
I think its so freaking funny when others sit and tell me what is and what isn't my car.
John, have you made your mind yet on your next car or are you still waiting? There's a lot of good stuff out there, why wait any longer......
"It's "dated" when it's not on an acceptable imported car."
No, take your domestic shades off for a moment and look again. The "A6" look has been around for like 7 years now. IT'S BEEN DONE. Not offensive, sure. But not vogue. Even the current Passat is looking tired and dull. Time to get the new Passat over ASAP. The reason the A8 is bulked up and braodened was to avoid the overly clean look of the A6. BTW, the A8 is a stunning car in person. Whoever called it an 'Edsel' musta just got done putting a third coat of wax on their Lumina Euro, 89 Regal Coupe, or 93 Olds 88.
"Want something practical, Ford. For "whizz bang" get a Jaguar."
Hmmm....assuming you can't have both, practical, and a little whizz bang. Some folks can't have their cake and eat it too I guess.
I'll say this. If Ford hits with this car in the mid twenties, it will make most of GM's lineup look like junk. Bus with 25-27k stickers can't hold a candle to the 500. And the incentivemobiles can't either...even with new LeSabres selling at 19k or the like. The Ford trumps them on styling that while boring is not reviling, and its got room and the blandness factor going for it.
Jan 23, 2004 (8:17 pm)
GM's current full-size offerings are the biggest joke one you find without a sense of humor. Even their American luxury brand has more plastic than a Kia! To me, the 500's biggest competitor is the Kia Amanti which offers the latest safety features, a great stereo, nice inteior, superb warranty, and mroe for around 26K fully loaded. Both the 500 and Amanti have about the same horsepower so it works. I don't think people shopping in the full-size segment are looking for 250HP or more. But, that's what the latter Duratec 35 is for.
Jan 23, 2004 (8:33 pm)
You'd better price the Amanti again, cause it tops out just under $29,000 ($28,790 w/ Convenience Pkg, Leather, and Stability). How are the 300 and Avalon not competitors?
reg- You are bar none, the greatest at making outlandish claims. "Bus with 25-27k stickers can't hold a candle to the 500." True, in one sense, because a 2004 Malibu will top out at $25,720. However, the Malibu isnt intended to do battle with the 500, or vice versa. Additionally, for all your whining about pushrods, the Malibu will keep pace with Duratec Tauri, while returning 5MPG more in mixed driving. Personally, I agree that GMs dated large offerings wont offer much competition for the 500. That said, the Malibu is a very decent car.
Jan 23, 2004 (8:58 pm)
Please, tell me where did I say the Avalon and 300 are not competitors???????????????? I said that my OPINION was that the Amanti was the biggest competitor because of its features. I NEVER said any of what you stated. OK, so I got the price mixed up..big deal. It's still a good value and I hope Ford can match it.
Jan 23, 2004 (8:59 pm)
"the Malibu is a very decent car."
Decent...that's it? Not even a very good, very great, outstanding, or even above average? Hmm, guess that's what decent passes for these days..
#296 of 3623 Too funny, but real
Jan 24, 2004 (12:56 am)
Whether we agree to disagree or agree to agree, the Kia Amanti IS a 500 competitor, and Hyundai will kill the 500, cause a completely redone XG is due this fall.
After all of these GM/Ford shenenigans with over pricing and copy-cat styling, I may just jump ship.
The 500 will be overpriced, and the Malibu (not a competitor, but in my league) is as well.
#297 of 3623 Mondeo
Jan 24, 2004 (1:03 am)
The Mondeo quite possibly has the most attractive sedan interior going, and OOPS! its not here! Ford missed it big time by not bringing over this car, even as a mercury.
They decided to bring X-Type instead. Whatever. Saw Mondeo couple of times here in San Diego, on SoCal highways it looks no less stunning as on roads of Bombay.
Jan 24, 2004 (5:05 am)
"as far the Colorado, why didn't make the trailblazer in line 6 available?"
Supposedly GM stated they didn't feel the need for the I-6, since the I-5 would be more than enough. Mind you, on the sideline is the new Nissan Frontier which will sport a 4.0L V6 as well making around 250HP. So far from the reviews, critics haven't appreciated the I-5 configuration overall. They should have kept it for cars instead and get rid of the pushrods, but that's just my opinion.