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Ford Five Hundred, Mercury Montego, Sedan
#1906 of 3623 Edmunds review biased/lacks substance
Nov 30, 2004 (6:12 pm)
Is it just me or does the Edmunds review of this vehicle lack substance?
I just bought a minivan for my wife, but if I was shopping for a sedan replacement this would be at the top of my list.
It is a great value, looks fantastic (similar to Passat/Mercedes), and has great features.
Standard V6 (updated for 2005)
Great gas mileage (doesn't require premium like Toyota)
Great Architecture (Volvo S80 platform)
Safety features (huge discs all around, side curtains available)
Largest trunk in the free world
0-60 in 7ish seconds
Advanced 6 speed/CVT transmission
It looks remarkably more refined/sportier than an Accord or Toyota on the outside, and it's standard V6 has more power than comparably priced competition (most would only include 4 cylinders at this price point).
I think the Mercury Montego has to be one of the lowest price sedans with standard HID's on the market.
What does everybody else think?
#1907 of 3623 Re: [eaton53]
Nov 30, 2004 (6:33 pm)
James Healy of USA Today? That vaunted automotive publication? Clearly it must be a "driver's car!". (In all seriousness, though, GM should be commended if the LaCrosse handles as adeptly as that article states. MT didnt really gush about handling but the mag didnt decry it either. Looks to be a very good compromise between ride and agility.)
With respect to the Avalon vs. Five Hundred...by better... I mean faster, more standard safety equipment, higher quality materials, more available technology, more luxurious etc. I think its a little ridiculous to assume that the Avalon will be overpriced before knowing anything about pricing or hard facts about the vehicle.
Do you also think that the Sienna is overpriced simply because it doesnt have the $5000+ rebate offered by Ford on the pathetic Freestar, or do you think that Ford's offering simply cant compete with the best, and therefore the market wont bear anything resebling invoice, nevermind MSRP?
I understand your argument on opportunity cost, but since its impossible to measure, I think edmunds.com TCO is an excellent tool. Fact of the matter is, even people who chose a cheaper car over a more expensive one rarely invest that money in an appreciating asset such as a home. Also, you posit on the assumption that you pay more up front in order to get resale value later. I'd argue that you pay more for a better vehicle, and better vehicles have higher resale value, de facto.
The Five Hundred is a very good vehicle. But... is that really enough for 2005? Time will tell.
I look forward to a comparison between, say, a 300C Limited, Montego Premier, and an Avalon Touring or XLS.
#1908 of 3623 Re: Edmunds review biased/lacks substance [yatesd]
Nov 30, 2004 (6:40 pm)
The Camry V6s do NOT require premium. Premium is a recommendation for best performance. Same for the Accord V6.
I think the AWD option is a great plus. But.. from the testing I've read, the Five Hundred FWD 6 speed needs in the 8 second range (8.7 in Motor Trend) to hit 60. The lightest Five Hundred with CVT needs 7.5 seconds, according to the Ford's AMCI report. Camrys and Accords in the $23,000 price range can be had with a V6 (both more powerful and torquey than the Five Hundreds) and disks all around. The Ford does have very large tires, though- a benefit in my opinion.
Nov 30, 2004 (8:53 pm)
Every review of the LaCrosse I've seen is of the top-of-the-line model.
In the USA Today review, Mr. Healey did sample the lower level versions, and he was unimpressed with the ride and handling combination. His praise was reserved for the top-of-the-line model.
When Motor Trend put the LaCrosse and the Five Hundred against each other, the Five Hundred was the winner in the ride and handling department, if I recall correctly.
And I haven't seen testers making distinctions between the ride and handling of the lower level Five Hundreds and the Limited version.
Nov 30, 2004 (9:33 pm)
The ride and handling of the lower/upper trim 500/Freestyles differ only in...
The rear suspension of the AWD models are raised an inch which translates to really no noticeable differences in handling, but maybe a slight ribbing effect going over consecutive expansion joints.
The upper trim levels have additional noise insulation applied in a few areas. Doesn't improve wind noise (which hardly has much of), does quell road noise.
Dec 01, 2004 (3:14 am)
This additional insulation...is that only on the Limited or is it on the Limited and the SEL?
Dec 01, 2004 (6:11 am)
As per ANT14's post somewhere above, it's for both the SEL and Limited.
I wonder if the Montego have some more sound insulation?
#1913 of 3623 Re: Edmunds review biased/lacks substance [alpha01]
Dec 01, 2004 (6:58 am)
Even the base Five Hundred has ABS disc brakes all around and base model has 17" alloys as well, so no advantage to CamCord in that regard. I think the feature content on the base Five Hundred is very competitive at under $23K MSRP.
As far as I'm concerned 0-60 in the 8-9 second range is very acceptable, especially when you look at fuel efficiency in a car this size and weight. The 3.0 Duratech is nice and torquey at relatively low engine speeds, and some of those high horsepower figures of the competition really don't translate into all that much when you get to real world driving situations, where the vast majority of driving situations you rarely actually rev your engine to much over 4K on even fairly aggressive starts.
Yes Ford can be criticized for not having a 240-270 Hp V-6 available now, however when you actually get down to real world driving, the 3.0 Duratech will do very well.
#1914 of 3623 Re: Edmunds review biased/lacks substance [badgerfan]
Dec 01, 2004 (7:23 am)
Did you see edmunds.com review of the engine/tranny combo? Their Limited/AWD/CVT took 8.9 to 60.
Dec 01, 2004 (7:59 am)
"I wonder if the Montego have some more sound insulation? "
The Montego gets the 500 SEL/LIM insulation, but on all trim levels.