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You are in the Ford Five Hundred/Mercury Montego
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Ford Five Hundred, Mercury Montego, Sedan
#1394 of 3623 Chevy Impalas, Ford Sedans, Mercury sedans
Sep 29, 2004 (9:11 pm)
I am having a really hard time getting through the shock of these cars costing more then $30 thousand, when you have cars that deserve to be priced this way (Acura TL, Infiniti I35, Cadillac CTS, Infiniti G35, etc.). They offer a lot more quality and power. I picked up some material on the '05 Acura TL, and read the sticker price, and then tried to figure out why Ford and GM think they should be in this price range. I was given a price today on a 2005 Acura TL, that was almost the same as the loaded Montego Premier, and has so much more to offer. I know some people will get all pissy about this post, but think about it. A Ford 500 costing $30000 with an under powered engine, no Navigation available, no Sattelite radio, no Zenon headlights, and a few more missing bells and whistles. I know that the American manufacturers are trying to catch up to the foreign car builders, but I think they need some more time at the drawing board.
#1395 of 3623 Audiophile Sound System
Sep 29, 2004 (9:40 pm)
A while back I asked if anyone knew the specs on the upgraded sound system in the 500/Montego. I stopped at the local Mercury dealer to see if they had a car to test drive, and came up empty. While I was there I asked the salesman if he knew where I could get the info. He went into the TOP SECRET manual that they keep hidden from our view, and came up with what I was looking for. The system is pushing 320 watts, 7 speakers including 2 tweeters and a sub woofer, a feature called RDS (radio data system) , MP3 capabilities, and a bunch of other features. I hope it sounds as good as my Mach system in my SHO.
#1396 of 3623 Why dont they mention this?
Sep 29, 2004 (11:13 pm)
I mean these sedans are so under everything, why don't they mention this sound package, finnally something competetive!
Sep 30, 2004 (2:33 am)
fdcapt2, the solution is quite simple. To you, those other cars offer so much more. Fine. Buy them.
To me, NONE of those cars is worth a second look. Why? I need/want the space the Five Hundred has. I drive an Impala LS now, have looked at Avalons, Crown Vic/Grand Marquis, Buick LeSabre and even Lincoln Town Car. Price those cars, comparably equipped. Ooops, can't get AWD in any of them. Gee!
And, this car is VALUE priced for the class it is meant for. It is not meant for the boy racer crowd, which the cars you listed--fine cars all--are. It is also far larger than any of those fine cars. This car is NOT meant to excite those who like Acura TL's and such. And frankly, it doesn't.
I am one of the very few who am interested in both groups of cars. But an elderly mother who has trouble getting in and out of cars, long 800+ mile trips that are usually accomplished in a day on very rough expressways and the need to haul up to four passengers in comfort all dictate a "boulevard" or "turnpike" cruiser with lots of room. I hope and think the Five Hundred will fill that bill for me.
If, that is, they ever accept my order!
#1399 of 3623 Re: resale [johnclineii]
Sep 30, 2004 (4:39 am)
They got the starting base price on the Five Hundred wrong in that article. It is $22795 including shipping, not $24495. $22795 is not overpriced for the base model, in my opinion, and this is a far cry from $30K. Yes you can equip them up to $30K, but you don't have to.
Sep 30, 2004 (5:01 am)
Like in all vehicles, many of us will aspire for all the bells and whistles. The vehicle for $22K is a great bargain, but option it fully, and it can top $30K and have other competitor's that might have something better/different. All depends upon the persons priorities.
These same vehicles (when you hit $30K), will have options themselves. BY the time you option them, your looking at $34K-36K, so it starts adding up.
I'll use a common situation, a friend of mine Did... She wanted a $20K Camry (after having had 2 Toyotas stolen within 3 months), I was able to get her off her Toyota loving craze by showing her real cars that have character. She then thought, "Hmm for a few thousand more, I can have a Altima V6". Then she thought, "Hmm, for a few more, I can have a Volvo S40". While we were shopping for it, I tell her "For $2K I can get you the S60 fully loaded". And she walks out at $31K with something she didn't even plan for to begin with. And yes ALL cars she looked at vaaried greatly, and she went thru 3 different segments.
Then it was convincing the husband "If you want me to get pregnant, then you give me the Volvo". Ok she's 7 months pregnant now, but she got her damn Volvo.
And the common senario happens quite often. Someone looks at the base model, what's toys, starts going up the price scale. And some might realize something else might be better for the same price, while other's really like the vehicle and stick with it.
Sep 30, 2004 (10:34 am)
Below is a copy of an e-mail I recieved sent by an unknown sender. Accordingly the content and credibility of same is not substantiated.
"Quality Woes Plague Five Hundred, Freestyle and
September 28, 2004
Given that these models were launched (JOB1) on August
10th at Ford's Chicago Assembly Plant (CAP), and were
originally slated for shipment on August 23rd, dealers
were expecting larger stock levels by now. However,
shipments of these early units were halted with
quality concerns, though many have since been cleared
to leave the plant following inspections and repairs,
though only at a trickle.
Internal Ford Motor Company documents recently
furnished to a well known Ford enthusiast site,
indicates that there are serious quality issues with
the early-build Ford Five Hundred, Freestyle and
Mercury Montego models. While the documents detail
everything from build costs to assembly concerns, the
most troubling area that these documents detail are a
high number of quality issues plaguing the D3 platform
According to the documents, these early D3s have
possibly suffered from one or more of sixty-five (65)
quality concerns, from defective platforms to faulty
CVT gearbox and paint quality problems. In addition,
employees at the Chicago assembly plant have been
voicing their concerns on the message boards of the
Ford enthusiast site since September 25, 2004.
However, according to the source, the sheer number and
serious nature of several of these problems is
abnormally high, and potentially cause for
consternation, particularly for buyers of
early-production Five Hundred, Freestyle and Montego
For a company that has already been stung in the press
and the court of public opinion for a high number of
recalls and perceived quality lapses, fundamental
component concerns like the quality of Ford's CVT
transmissions have Dearborn executives and company
loyalists alike reaching for the antacid.
Sep 30, 2004 (11:18 am)
Yes, that is the "Ford Enthusiast site" they are talking about.