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You are in the Ford Five Hundred/Mercury Montego
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Ford Five Hundred, Mercury Montego, Sedan
Sep 03, 2004 (9:55 pm)
Side Curtain Airbags are STANDARD across the Accord 2005 model line, so Honda has apparently made your criticism invalid (but whose comparing an Accord 2 door to a Five Hundred anyway?).
nvbanker- I guess we'll agree to disagree. In my opinion, the Fords that merit accolades get them (Focus, Escape), and the new Mustang has gotten quite a buzz as well. The Expedition deserves to be panned, and it is, just like the laughably orchestrated Freestar (did they really think it'd move without 5 grand under the seats... guess not). Your sweeping statement that the mags rag on Ford was, as you said, based on one observation of a Navigator vs. Tahoe.
#1197 of 3623 U MUST DO THE RECOMMENDED MAINTENENCE
Sep 04, 2004 (6:20 am)
As for Ford auto trans, many models require fluid changes at 30k intervals. Failure to do the change is deadly as the fluid actually breaks down. (one of the reasons why its scary to buy a used car.).
That said, the 6 speed is a "sealed for life" unit require a fluid change at 150k...
The CVT requires a fluid change at 60k. I'm sure that in 6 years, we'll start hearing from Peeps how the CVT is junk... when in reality the maintenance wasn't done.
#1198 of 3623 About my fords...
Sep 04, 2004 (8:27 am)
Someone asked about which fords I had problems with...
My current ford is a 99 taurus se...bad transmission at 80K.
My father-in-law has a ford ranger (95?), bad transmission...replaced by dealership...one week later THAT transmission went bad, replaced again.
Also owned an escort (cheap car) and two others (forgot the model type...4 door built with Mazda...tracer?).
All had some kind of transmission problem and are no longer owned by us (except the taurus, which is sitting in the driveway collecting dust (can't afford a new transmission).
It's funny, my dodge avenger (hance the screen name) has been my most reliable car. Why ford had to build a transmission that needs fluid changes every other year is beyond me. My avenger needed a tranny fluid change at 60K, and my new suzuki XL-7 only needs to be inspected in the first 100K (and it's 4wd!).
Regarding the interior, looking at the pictures, the radio is straight out of the mustang (2005) and the redesigned f150. The wagon version of the 500 (freestyle) is easier to see the parts-bin items (A/C vents, radio, gauges, etc). Not that it's a bad thing, as it would be stupid for ford to remake items like gauges they can use in other vehicles.
Regarding the transmission choices, it's a hard decision. CVT's are new technology, and will need the bugs worked out. New 5 and 6 speed transmissions would be great, if they don't do what Nissan has done to save money...they reduced the fludid capacity of the auto trannys from 6 quarts to 2 (resulting in many transmission issues with 2004 vehicles. Maybe this is the reason for the recent Honda auto tranny problems as well.
Sep 04, 2004 (9:24 am)
my main beef with the interior is that for just tacked on the f150 radio without taking 15 minutes to design a front plate that hid this fact. Just look at the mazda 6 integrated radio and the 500 radio.
I still like the design of the interior. In fact, I like the interior better than the exterior. You can see the volvo door pulls in the interior (people are already talking about it at swedespeed.com).
Getting back to my origional question of reliability, do you think this vehicle will have electrical problems that the s80 has had over the last couple years. Not sure if using the volvo chassis carried over any of the electrical system.
Also, thanks for the transmission update...if I consider the 500, i'll stay away from the cvt, as it will be a ford item.
Sep 04, 2004 (10:29 am)
S-Y Systems Technologies, headquartered in Dearborn Mi. with a 38,400 sq. ft. facility at the Ford Chicago Campus are the engineers and designers of the electrical distribution systems for the Five Hundred/Montego/Freestyle. I don't know, but I don't believe there is any connection with Volvo.
#1202 of 3623 Re: interior [avenger1]
Sep 04, 2004 (10:39 am)
"my main beef with the interior is that for just tacked on the f150 radio without taking 15 minutes to design a front plate that hid this fact. Just look at the mazda 6 integrated radio and the 500 radio."
I've noticed on the Mazda boards there have been complaints about the way they integrated radio controls into the centre stack. It makes it more difficult to replace the unit with an aftermarket model, you're stuck with what you can get from your Mazda dealer. I like the look of the Mazda centre stack, and had been considering a Mazda 6 hatchback. but I really like the more conservative style of the Five Hundred better, and the seting position is world better in the Ford, the Mazda has good seats and adequate legroom front and back, better than the new Accord in spite of the numbers, but it still sits too low for liking, a pain if you're getiing in and out of the car alot during the day.
I have no idea about the electrical system, I would imagine it's new to the Five Hundred/Montego/Freestyle as they're built in different palnts, use different engines, have different option, etc. I'm also not familiar with elictrical probems on the current S80.
As for the transmisions, I've never had any transmission problems, of a regular nature, on any Ford I've owned over the past 30 years not with manuals or automatics, not with FWD or RWD. I'm not familiar with any problems from friends or family. The biggest series of transmission problems with any Detroit vehicle I recall as in the 80s with some GM models. The problem there IIRC seemed to be that someone decided to uprate a compact car trans. for use in midsize cars in order to save some money. Bad move. I really speak to much about the CVT other than it is considerably different in design from the one GM used in the Vue, it uses the same chain design that Audi uses, and is also very similar to the model in the Nissan Murano, where they've apparently been quite reliable. Ford has also been building a lighter duty version of their CVT in Batavia Ohio for close to a year for use in the European Focus C-MAX with a turbodiesel, and will be expanding that to the new Focus next year, I haven't heard of any problems with those either.
My main concern about the CVT is as a stockholder; they may have capacity issues with it, it's a simpler design than a conventional automatic but needs special care in assembly, so they've been very slow to ramp up production. If they have to buy too many units from Aisin, or others it'll hurt them.