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Jul 03, 2004 (12:25 pm)
"please don't try to make me believe that your opinion is without significant bias."
i know you werent talking to me there, but i, actually, have no bias. i sell both, and both line my pockets nicely. my opinions on here are simply those that, in knowing both trucks head to toe, i think the titan is a better truck overall for a better price.
to get a ford for a similar price, you have to go to the antiquated heritage model, and that doesnt compare in any way to the titan.
if you want to get a ford, and want competitive features/utility, you have to get the new body...but to get one of those, its gonna cost you $2000-$3000 more.
to me, if it were a matter of hundreds instead of thousands, it would probably be a 50/50 decision. but to get something SO equal for SO much less makes it a no-brainer.
a customer came in looking at a supercab f150 xlt 4x4 w/5.4 and the 8800 GVW pkg. we were about $2100 away from a deal, and i asked if he were stuck on a ford. he said he would entertain the nissan if he liked the #'s.
he drove an SE KC 4x4 w/the big tow pkg., and liked the truck equally with the ford.
his OTD # on the ford was $30450. this was using the rebates in lieu of the rate.
his OTD on the nissan was $29700, waiving the rebate, and using 1.9% for 60 months.
needless to say, he took the nissan because, on top of everything else, he saved about $2400 in interest over the life of the loan.
Jul 03, 2004 (1:37 pm)
That was well explained, bowke, and certainly there are lots of customers out there like that. You're fortunate to be able to sell two such similar products for folks like that, who can then choose between the deals if they're not fixed on a particular brand. I'm one of those customers are is far more concerned that I get the vehicle I want than what it may cost me, so that wouldn't work for me, but I can easily see the point you were making. My dealer connections assure me of a decent price for the car, but even before I had those connections, it was always about getting the car I wanted, not the best deal on any acceptable car.
#739 of 1169 in his case...
Jul 03, 2004 (2:01 pm)
it wasnt about getting the best deal. it was getting a truck he liked for a specific budget he needed to keep. the ford he liked couldnt get there.
the f150 supercab 4x4 xlt has a 3 year residual of 48% based on 15k miles/yr.
the titan KC 4x4 SE has a 3 year residual of 57% based on 15k miles/yr.
Jul 03, 2004 (5:56 pm)
"Far from it, F-150 sales are doing quite well overall. Double digit percentage increase from previous year sales, last month's 1.3% was the only one digit percentage of increased sales it has had.
And as for a softening month, outside critics have already reported that June is usually a slow month for vehicle sales overall. As is February BTW, just as Winter Months are slow for RWD Mustang and/or converible Mustang sales.
So the F-150 had a softer month this month than the last 11 is irrelevant compared with it's overall sales, and to say it's a sales dissapointment is comical considering more F-150 are sold in a year, than some other manufacturer's total brand sales figures."
Okay...Are you hard of hearing(reading); do you not know math? Can you not understand numbers? You just ignored my posts and stuck to " some unknown "expert" said June is a bad month and the F-150 is doing fine". Ya, way down from 2001 (I mean WAY down) and much of the increase over those last 11 months (over last year) was with big discounted "old" models. Let me guess, you ARE one of those salesman (not the factual one like Bowke) who is true and blue even when proved wrong. Ya just ignore the proof and slip back to weren't we talking about the Titan's lack of sales or quality or something like that?
Also, I did bring up the quality issues of the Titan, and the F-150 as well as the other FS trucks...they all have problems! Case in point my mention of the two F-150 (new models by the way)that were FORD (Found On Road Dead). No Titans to be seen. But I am sure they are around because they also have some issues. BUT mine doesn't.
Man you tire me out! Read the numbers. The F-150 does not have the sales it use to! Ya can't argue that! Yes it still sells the most, but it doesn't sell as much as before.
Jul 03, 2004 (6:04 pm)
And that's a problem ? Taurus doesn't sell the high number's it used to, but Ford ia making more profits on it now counting on less fleet sales. Which is better, sales number or profits ?
As I stated before, the F-150 isn't problems selling, the Titan is as some articles have stated. And that's what some people (as well as the media) have pointed again. BUT as Dusty mention, it's the usual bias that is brought up to deter it from the real topic. The Titan's goal was 100K, and now suddenly the spin is whatever sales is "just enough and we are happy"...Yet if the sales of the F-150 drop, the sky is falling ? Heh...
Jul 04, 2004 (5:43 am)
I am sure Ford is just thrilled about the Taurus's sales figures. I am sure they are making a ton of money off the Taurus!
Hey, I already answered your comment about the Titan's sales - so did Bowke. Since this is a topic about the F-150 vs the Titan, I thought we were allowed to bring up other topics like how unflattering the F-150s sales are.
For you Ant - The Titan's sales started a little slow because of many factors; including production problems, and inventory problems, as well as others. However, they are reaching their monthly goal (around 8000) even in that really soft month of June - as you stated June is a slow month (at least for Fords)
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by pf_flyer HOST
Jul 04, 2004 (6:15 am)
Avoid the trap of talking about each other instead of the trucks. Do NOT let this degrade into silly personal namecalling...
Stick to the trucks and things will be fine...
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#744 of 1169 Re: [ANT14 #741]
Jul 04, 2004 (9:48 am)
"Taurus doesn't sell the high number's it used to, but Ford ia making more profits on it now counting on less fleet sales."
this proves to me that you dont know ford. ford is ramping up fleet sales of the taurus, because after this year, they will not be available to retail buyers...only fleet.
#745 of 1169 F-150 & the Titan
Jul 04, 2004 (10:18 am)
I've read these posts about the Titan for weeks. Some helpful information here and on the Titantalk.com bbs
I thought I wanted a new 04 Ford 150 till I looked at them in person. I like the interiors , the exterior does not appeal to me.
The Titan has a nice interior and the exterior is similar to the Ford yet better looking IMO.
In a year or so if Nissan can straighten out some of the issues with the Titan I will give them a serious look.
Currently we own a 2000 Silverado 1500 xtra-cab & a 2001 Ford 150 super crew. Both are paid for and zero troubles with them.... I can wait a year to look at the Titan for a replacement for the Chevy
Jul 04, 2004 (1:00 pm)
" I am sure they are making a ton of money off the Taurus!"
The Taurus' tooling/engineering has already been paid for. So even with heavy incentives, they are still making a profit. Same with the Crown Vic/Grand Marquis/TC. Cash cows. Plus production of the new Ford 500/Freestyle/Montego start in Chicago on the 12th, while just ATL will be building the Taurus/Sables.
"this proves to me that you dont know ford. ford is ramping up fleet sales of the taurus, because after this year, they will not be available to retail buyers...only fleet.
Ford has lowered fleet sales for the Taurus for the past year, which is why sales number's have dropped. This to gain profit, and lower it's depreciation rate. Once the (Sedan formanlly named Futura, which is new named is being tested on consumer clinics as we speak) goes on sale, then the Taurus will be left for fleet sales. Such as what GM has done with Malibu "Classic". And the same will occur with Crown Vic, when the next RWD replacement, comes online in 2008-2009....
Your only at the sales person level. Do not tell me what I know and not know when it pertains to Ford. Your NOT talking to a customer.