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Nissan Titan, Ford F-150, Exterior, Engine, Interior, Transmission, Truck
Feb 05, 2004 (11:59 am)
[EDIT]: Sorry modulator. It's on topic (for this round anyway), and I don't think it's getting personal, yet. [/EDIT]
Fact (based on your quotes) Ford F-150 series had approx. 55% of the Jan 2004 sales of all the F-series - A 4% decrease from the average of 2003.
Monthly (or seasonal) fluctuations. I thought I mentioned this somewhere. Oh, it was on GM, it should also apply on Ford, and F-sereis. Wait, I thought you agreed the new F150 is the reason for the F-series sales increase.
Now - Where did you get your figures?
Well, I bought a brand new Lincoln LS at Accord price... I have my sources. bowke probably can get you the exact number, if he wants to.
Spin it any way you want, Ford's F-series lost market share in Jan for whatever reason. No matter how you spin it, only Dodge had a worse increase; for whatever reason.
Live with it.
In a rapid and ever expanding segment. If F-series can have double digit increase month after month, and setting all time records along the way, I certainly can live with it.
As to the Titan projections for Jan - get real. Many dealers still had not even got any Titans. Nissan won't hit their average monthly sales for quite a while for reasons mentioned above.
I don't know who needs to get real here. Every automaker, I repeat EVERY, has sales projection for every single model they make. They know how many they made/can make, they know their capacity, they know what sells in what region and in what season. And I was not asking Titan to reach average monthly number. I was asking for the projection.
Feb 05, 2004 (1:14 pm)
the arrogant import buyer
#461 of 1169 to each his own
Feb 05, 2004 (1:36 pm)
If your happy that Ford is losing market share in a growing segment with a brand spanking new truck, then great; to each his own.
and to "my own", preaching "double digit growth" (you can't get much closer to single digit growth ) over as year that declined by a "high" single digit (7.24%) isn't impressive to me. I would have thought with the amount of hoopla and advertising done, the growth of the Ford F-150 would have been the best of the bunch - which so far it is not.
As an aside, I would still like somebody to find and post a source that can show F-150 sales only on a monthly and yearly basis for the last number of years.
Feb 05, 2004 (5:44 pm)
"Just to go a little further, Ford actually had the 2nd worst increase of full size truck sales in January."
2nd worst increase in sales? How is this bad if you already sell the most trucks? Might want to review the nature of statistics.
Ford 9.6% increase is 5410 trucks (based on pickuptruck.com's numbers)
Tundra's 23.7% increase is 1741 trucks
Avalanche's 65.3% increase was 2549 trucks.
How's that for growth? Only the Sierra and Silverado combined can surpass the F-150, in new sales vs jan 2003, not in total sales of 2004.
Feb 05, 2004 (8:52 pm)
10% increase year over year for a truck with the volume of the F-150 is pretty dang big. Furthermore with the lower incentives given out for the new F-150, Ford should be making a bundle on this new truck.
Although we still do not know what sold best, Heritage, new F-150, or F-250 and above. ANT doesnt get back untill the 10th, hopefully we will get some real numbers then.
My explination for the Tundra and GM trucks are these.
The Tundras new Double Cab is basically a new truck this year as well. A lot of work and money had to go into this truck to give it its four real doors. So quite possibly the increase could be due to sales of this new model. Who knows, but it is some sort of explination. Either way, a almost 30% increase year over year is amazing for an aging truck like the Tundra, i dont know how else to explain it.
The GM trucks have the highest incentives right now by far... And they traditionally always have. No doubt in my mind that Ford is making much more money even though GM has had more sales in January. Either way, i would say that 15% increase over last year with it being the only truck out there with such a lavish incentive base is a number i would expect.
#464 of 1169 Yawwnnn
Feb 05, 2004 (9:34 pm)
All this talk about sales is laborious. The Ford guys keep saying ad infinitum the F150 is best because it's selling the most??
Then McDonald's is the best hamburgers, and Walmart is the best place to buy furniture and clothing.
No thanks, I prefer Rocky Ranch's real beef Texas Hamburger, and the local run shop for real athletic wear.
Feb 05, 2004 (10:56 pm)
Oh great, the fast food and discount supermarket references. Next you'll be saying the import manufacturers only sell X amount of vehicles, because that's all they want to make. (That's what the Tundra guys have been saying).
What about DVD's at Walmart? Is there any problem with buying the same exact DVD at walmart than at Sam Goody's for 7 bucks more? Or hangers? I'm sure IKEA has the best hangers, as the simple plastic ones defintely have a hard time holding up my clothes. <sarcasm>
"All this talk about sales is laborious. The Ford guys keep saying ad infinitum the F150 is best because it's selling the most??"
And Bob Dole keeps saying he's the best because he got the most votes in the last election.
So let's not sidestep anymore. You know that each time a vehicle is bought, that's what the vehicle buyer wanted, unless he just had 20 to 30 grand to burn. Each purchase is a vote for what vehicle suited the person best for pricing, type of otions, or lotalty reasons. So if the "best" truck is not accurate for F-150, then it must be the most the most sought after/desired truck.
#466 of 1169 f150 is not the best
Feb 05, 2004 (11:12 pm)
but its pretty damn good for most folks so they buy it....nothing to be ashamed about, one thing that ford doesn't have a problem with is giving the consumer what he/she wants. and with all the styles they offer, they can make it YOUR way. Nobody can touch ford when it comes to options on trucks. The lesson from them is use a wide net, catch a lot of fish.
Import manufacturers use a little different approach, the Titan is aimed at the first time truck buyer IMO, who has a family, and maybe a boat and has owned foreign cars before, in my belief
#467 of 1169 'stang
Feb 06, 2004 (7:20 pm)
I have to say I agree with posters sometime ago who stated we will have a better idea of "best", and "most sought after" truck sometime down the road. In fact my contention is, considering the debate of Chev vs. Ford vs. Dodge has gone on for decades, now adding Nissan and Toyota to the mix likely will only cloud the issues more.
Speaking of desireability, I waited 7 weeks for a Titan,CC,SE,Util Bed Pkg to come in. At any moment I could have literally walked 3 blocks over to Ford & had my pick of some 30-40 F150's all with $4,000 discounts. It was worth the wait.
I don't know if you are old enough to remember, but Accord and Camry had some very humble beginnings,and with just a few dealers. If Ford & Chev use some of the loyalists' self rationalizations as on this thread, they're gonna get whooped again and on the last leg they have.
Feb 08, 2004 (10:51 am)
The Nissan guys were boasting how their truck would sell 100,000+ units this year.
How many was it that they managed in January again? LOL.
They've been rolling them out to dealerships for a while now. I'm sure sales will pickup somewhat, but not nearly as much as Nissan would hope.