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#1015 of 1169 Titan build date vs. quality issues
Sep 27, 2004 (7:01 pm)
i dont think there will be a defined line where quality is improved. its a gradual thing. i would recommend grabbing a late-production '04 and taking the incentives.
Definitely DO NOT buy Titans that were built in or before May, '04, if you are concerned about initial qualities. Nissan sent in the "S.W.A.T." team in May.
Ghosn is fixing the Canton debacle in his characteristic fashion -- that is, with the subtlety of a chain saw. In May, he flew in 220 engineers from Japan and Nissan's older Smyrna (Tenn.) plant. The damage-control team searched every inch of the assembly line for flaws. Some were obvious: Factory hands, many of them newcomers to carmaking, wore rings and studded jeans that scratched freshly painted trucks. Other glitches were maddening: Power window switches and reading lights on the Quest often seemed possessed by gremlins, and its sliding doors didn't close quite right. So the team worked with suppliers to reengineer parts, while robots were reprogrammed to weld car bodies more tightly, and better insulation was added to the roof of the Armada. Then Ghosn shook up management, even raiding archrival Toyota to hire troubleshooter Douglas G. Betts as his new vice-president for assembly quality. As the 2005 Nissans enter dealerships this fall, buyers will learn firsthand whether Ghosn's personal intervention has paid off.
I would wait for '05 models if I were you.
Read the whole article here:
#1016 of 1169 Re: Titan build date vs. quality issues [hairong]
Sep 27, 2004 (7:45 pm)
That was a pretty interesting article. This guy Ghosn's seems to be making plans to improve the vehicles. The 2005 models should be here in another 3 to 5 weeks. Ford rebates look mighty tempting to me. I do want a Titan. I risk losing out on the rebate by waiting for the 05. The latest 04 could be just fine. I could end up spending extra money on 05s for no real reason.
#1017 of 1169 72 months no interest?
Sep 27, 2004 (8:16 pm)
even if this promo does hit the dealer floor, it usually works out in the dealer's favor in exchange for dealer discount. I don't think you're going to get $10k off MRSP and the free loan for 72 months.
I'm guessing most people will not do the math to see what the savings would be for 72 months of no interest on $20 - $30k. you can be sure the dealer knows what the trade off is and will be eager to give you a zero point loan in exchange for a dealer discount.
If you can get the 0% loan on top of all the discounts then more power to you.
#1018 of 1169 Re: 72 months no interest? [aspesisteve]
Sep 28, 2004 (11:07 am)
the 0% loans have nothing to do with dealer discounts. they do, however, wipe out all MANUFACTURER rebates and cash.
it still works out better to take the rate in all cases except the freestar and explorer.
#1019 of 1169 Re: 72 months no interest? [bowke28]
Sep 28, 2004 (10:21 pm)
The way I figure, it is better to take the $3000 rebate + $ 1500 bonus cash for an F-150. If you take the FMCC financing for 3 months (to get the $1500 bonus cash), then refinance at 5% for 60 months, you will end up paying about $3500 in interest. That puts you $1000 ahead. The advantage with 0% is spreading the loan over a longer period with lower payments. In any case, it's all a marketing game that all ends up close to the same in the end. Also, my heart still yearns for the Titan, so what is that worth?
Sep 29, 2004 (6:01 pm)
I have seen recently on a titan forum there is a 100 day plus supply of titans, armadas and Qs sitting on the lots. Better rebates ARE coming !
Good things come to those who wait.............
Sep 29, 2004 (6:26 pm)
Gee, I don't think Ford has that many F-series trucks hanging around on the dirt unowned, do they?
#1022 of 1169 Re: TITAN [boomer1b]
Sep 29, 2004 (6:47 pm)
Hey Boomer! You gonna wait till they make one with windows that work?
Sep 29, 2004 (7:00 pm)
I drove a Dodge Ram last night for kicks. It was an ok ride, but the Ford, Titan and the GM pickups are all more fun to drive, IMO.
Sep 30, 2004 (8:15 am)
I have seen some traded on Nissan and Doge lots.