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#1134 of 1450 Re: Let's Get Organized For Diesel Tucson? [raythegerman]
Mar 08, 2006 (6:54 am)
You certainly didn't hurt my feelings. I just wanted to point out that a 1984 car is hardly the "latest and greatest" in any technology you would care to name. I will try to address your points as best I can. Yes, diesel still smells like diesel but they don't emit smoke out the tail pipe much any more. If you stand behind a running diesel there is no question it IS a diesel. 1. "I certainly don't see Toyota, GM,etc killing themselves in this 21st century building flocks of diesels" Well,if you lived in Europe..the U.K. ....Middle East or practically anywhere on earth other than the USA you WOULD see Hyundai.. Toyota..Honda Ford GM BMW Mercedes and every other auto manufacturer building, marketing, and selling (more than 50% of all European cars are diesels)diesel cars, light trucks, vans and everything in between. 2. "When I bought my diesels people told me the same thing---the diesel is so much improved"...and they probably were... as compared to 1950 but this is 2006 and they ARE improved greatly but we in the U.S. never much see of those improvements due to EPA restrictions on emissions...
Yeah, GM cobbled together a diesel in the 80's and they were junk. It was basically a converted 350 cu.in. gas V-8 that, in typical GM fashion, was thrown together to let them be able to say "we have a diesel" when they were popular. Don't even think of equating it to a modern direct injection turbo diesel. 3. Hybrid technology is OK but there still are unanswered questions about it too.
A)how long will that expensive battery pack last?
B)how much will it cost to replace...$3000 or $4000?
C) how will unknown battery pack life affect trade in values.
D) for those buying a used Prius/Civic/Escape/Accord hybrid...gee how long will the battery in my "new" used car last before I have to spend $$$? see "B" above
E) people are still complaining about lower than expected fuel economy
G) how about all that complicated, computer driven, drive mode switching. From all electric to all gas to varying degrees of combinations of both. How about all the electromechanical devices required to do all that?
H) how about battery pack leakage in a rear ender? and what about battery disposal fees? You certainly don't think the dealer is going to pay for that do you?
I) payback on a hybrid. This is the time involved in recouping the premium price of the original purchase by virtue of its better gas mileage is a really long time even if gas prices go up and up. Most owners who drive average miles per year probably won't do it in less than 5 years or after most will probably trade...see A,B,C above.
So, diesel is simple and effective and probably cheaper to maintain in the long run...and they do run long!
#1135 of 1450 Re: Let's Get Organized For Diesel Tucson? [targettuning]
Mar 08, 2006 (7:34 am)
payback on a hybrid. This is the time involved in recouping the premium price of the original purchase by virtue of its better gas mileage is a really long time even if gas prices go up and up. Most owners who drive average miles per year probably won't do it in less than 5 years or after most will probably trade.
Consumer Reports just did an analysis of hybrid operating costs and the results were not pretty. Here is an excerpt:
In our analysis, only two of the six hybrids we have tested recovered their price premium in the first five years and 75,000 miles of ownership (see Hybrids vs. all gas). The Toyota Prius and Honda Civic Hybrid provide a savings of about $400 and $300, respectively, over that period. But that is only if buyers are able to take advantage of limited federal tax credits. Extra ownership costs over five years for the other four models ranged from about $1,900 to $5,500, compared with those of similar all-gas models.
Their take on it is that most hybrids are at best a wash and more than likely more expensive to operate than their gas counterparts unless:
1. You hold on to them for at least 5-7 years+
2. You drive more than the average 12-15,000 miles per year
3. You practice proper hybrid driving techniques
4. You can take maximum advantage of any and all available tax incentives.
All in all, a tough road to travel to get possibly minimal gas savings. Hybrids may be a good choice for some, but for most a properly sized, well-maintained, gas or diesel powered vehicle is probably the better choice.
#1136 of 1450 Why The bad rating in Consumer Reports
Mar 12, 2006 (8:02 pm)
I noticed that the Hyundai Tucson received a much worse than average rating in the annual auto issue. I have a 2005 Tucson GLS and have had no problems with it since I purchased it last June. I presently have 14,000 miles on it and I am very satisfied. I know the gas mileage has been an issue. I have averaged about 20 mpg overall. Maybe it should be on par with the CRV or Rav but I will trade the mpg for the roomier and better riding Tucson along with the standard safety features included. Is the Consumer Report Much Worse Than Average Reliability Label Valid?
#1137 of 1450 Re: Why The bad rating in Consumer Reports [halebrat]
Mar 13, 2006 (5:08 am)
I also own a Tucson (05 LX AWD) and have had no problems. The weird thing about CR's below average rating is that in all the categories they rate, the Tucson's worst was an average and most were above average to excellent. So how does one go from average, above average and excellent in all categories to below average in the overall category?
#1138 of 1450 Re: Why The bad rating in Consumer Reports [halebrat]
Mar 13, 2006 (5:48 am)
We bought a 2005 Tucson GLS V6 with 4WD on Aug. 1. Wife has put about 13,000 miles on it since then. Absolutely NOTHING wrong with it. Rides well, is pretty quiet and handles much better than her co-worker's Honda CRV in cornering. She also likes it because it's easier for her to get in the driver's seat since it's higher. I don't understand a poor evaluation either. She averages 22 mpg in mixed driving. It's a great car for the money, and the dealer's service (Antwerpen Hyundai, Clarksville, MD) has been excellent, but then it's just been in the shop for oil changes and one recall.
#1139 of 1450 Tucson hard test
Mar 13, 2006 (9:39 am)
In October 2005 I wrote in this forum about my Tucson LX V6 describing that the car was slowly moving to the right when the steering wheel was left unattended. When this event happened also the steering wheel moved a little bit to the right without my intervention. The car still has this problem.
Now I am in Peru with my Tucson and I have visited Machupicho (Cusco) and many original places in this country with such difficult geography. Although the main roads in Peru are paved other ones (those that take one to the most beautiful scenery) are not. These roads, I will say, cannot be classified as roads. Big lorries and trunks are the usual users of these roads (mines and minerals transport) although the occasional big buses and small cars also adventure through these roads. Generally these roads are not maintained, they are full of potholes, mud, rocks and many times washed away by streams of water that have escaped from their original path.
I bought this car in November 2004 in California. I travelled from the Pacific to the Atlantic and from the Atlantic to the Pacific again in order to travel to Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Costa Rica, Nicaragua and Panama. In Panama I shipped the car to Guayaquil (Ecuador) and from there I drove to Peru. In total more than 25K miles. Presently the car has 30K miles and the car has been thoroughly serviced according to schedule.
I will say, in general, that I am OK with the performance of the car but some observations (or limitations need to be addressed). First of all, the clearance of the car, i.e. 195 mm (7.7”), is by far too small for the Peruvian off road adventures. When the car arrived to Peru the under frame was immaculate (almost new). The under seal protective cover was visible with its natural colour. Now is covered in mud that cannot be taken away by any means. The mud has been baked onto the exhaust pipe and catalytic converter and pieces of stones have indented the petrol tank in two large places and I wonder how the petrol level indicator in the console is still working.
Secondly, the engine protective plastic undercover does not cover or prevent the mud to splash all over the engine compartment. Now the mud has dried and has covered practically all-visible wire connection including sensors and components in the engine compartment.
Thirdly, I was obliged to change the original tyres BF Goodrich at 20K miles in Peru even before going to Machupicho because there was only 2 mm of thread left. If I had been in the USA I could have easily asked for new tyres based on the tyre warranty of 70K miles duration. I think this happened because of the everyday driving without rest from the USA to Panama sometimes in very hot weather. The weather has been so hot that part of the rubber (and plastic) on the front door seals has discoloured due to partial melting.
Fourthly, the plastic interior of the car is hard and scratches very easily, either by a pen or under pressure of things in the car. For example, the boot compartment has many scratches produced by things (e.g. camping materials) pressure or rubbing against the walls of this part of the car.
Fifthly, after two hours continuous driving I could feel the heat of the engine compartment filtrating into the driving area and I needed the A/C on to cool this area. It appears that there is not sufficient insulation between the engine compartment and the driving area. This needs to be improved.
Sixthly, in a few situations when the A/C switch is turned to ON smoke comes through the central vents. I originally though that this smoke was because something was burning in the A/C system. However this smoke appears to be dust. Playing a bit with the fan power control and setting seems to resolve the situation.
The good thing about the car is that in spite of the hard work it has undergone I was not aware of any noticeable rattles. I have also noted a bit of tremor when the car is on an unpaved road. Definitely I will say the car is not a serious off road car. In paved roads the car is smooth but once you take the car on unpaved roads (even though these are established unpaved roads as the manual makes clear) you feel any little rock on the road. I think the car is only suitable for unpaved roads, which are gravel and relatively smooth. The car needs more under frame protection, especially the petrol tank area. Equally it needs better plastic undercover frame design for the engine to prevent muddy water from splashing onto the engine compartment. It also needs more clearance (perhaps 3 inches more). The petrol consumption is as it is advertised. By the way, this car in Peru costs US$32,000.
#1140 of 1450 Re: Tucson hard test [batman47]
Mar 13, 2006 (9:45 am)
That's some serious testing! Thanks for the report.
#1141 of 1450 CR bias against Hyundais
Mar 13, 2006 (4:06 pm)
I'm beginning to think CR is a bit biased in their reviews of Hyundai vehicles. If they are going to make statements about first year reliability being worse than average, they need to back it up with more concrete facts, or links to a website that goes into more details. Unfortunately, I didn't read their full review of the Tucson as I wasn't in the market for one when they reviewed it. However, I did read their review of the 2006 Sonata and it seemed a bit nit picky and whiney, especially their complaints about the cold air blowing on hands and elbows when the AC is on (I've not seen any other review complain about this). My mom just bought one and absolutely loves it, especially since it costs thousands of dollars less than similarly equipped Accords and Camrys. I would rather they focus on things that matter, like safety features that come standard with the Hyundais and the overall value of the entire packsage. I'd be curious if CR has reacted to the recently results of the test crashes by the IIHS in any way.
#1142 of 1450 Re: CR bias against Hyundais [conjett]
Mar 13, 2006 (7:34 pm)
I agree. CR likes some car companies better than others. Their final ratings are inconsistent in that some recommended ones are less reliable than not recommended ones.
#1143 of 1450 New Tucson Owner
Mar 14, 2006 (8:31 am)
Bought 2006 Tucson GLS AWD three weeks ago, have under 700 miles on it. Like many things about it so far. A couple of quick observations that maybe someone could address based on their experiences with the car. There appears to be hesitation occuring at about 20 MPH and 40 MPH when accelerating, especially uphill. The one at 20 MPH is a lot less noticeable and really minor. The transmission seems to be rather slow to upshift at around 40 MPH. So you need to almost floor it in order to start picking up speed. But cruising is easy. Second, my gas mileage so far is at 18.5 MPG in mixed driving. I am sure it will improve as the engine breaks in. I'd be very happy with 20-21 MPG in mixed driving. Third, the steering wheel shakes at speeds over 60 MPH, then disappears at lower speeds. Seems to be a typical wheel balancing issue. I guess that would be my dealership's oversight. Can I wait until my first oil change (say at 3,000 miles) to get this looked at? I rarely drive over 60, and the car is not really supposed to be driven over 55 during the break-in period anyway. And lastly, is there a way to remove the cargo area cover? It is mounted in the middle of the compartment and makes it inconvenient to transport luggage, let's say, standing up. I know the screen retracts, but that beam does not seem to be removable. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.