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Lexus RX 400h, Lexus, Hybrid Cars
#405 of 2363 Re: LEXUS DELAYS HYBRID UNTIL APRIL 2006 [dewey]
Oct 01, 2004 (6:25 pm)
I received an official letter from Lexus postmarked September 27, '04 which had the Lexus "L h" symbol on the letterhead. It says "Congratulations on taking the first step toward owning a new Lexus RX 400h. For the last two years, we have anticipated that the arrival of the Lexus RX 400h Luxury Utility Vehicle would be sometime in late 2004. With the final development stage completed and the preproduction phase now beginning, our launch date is more finely focused and we anticipate early 2005." It says to contact my local dealership to receive the most current status on my vehicle. There's more general information on the anticipated vital statistics of the 400h. I hope they mean it this time.
#406 of 2363 I still say.....
Oct 02, 2004 (7:44 am)
The RX400h product will be cancelled in favor of an RX230h. An I4 with V6 torque/HP makes a lot more sense than a V6 with V8 torque/HP.
And I quite firmly believe that the Toyota hybrid concept CANNOT be scaled up to this level and still achieve reasonable fuel economy advantages.
Also I just simply don't see the majority of RX buyers as throttle jockeys.
The few times I have needed, wished for, more HP in my 2001 AWD RX300 was during passing at reasonably higher speeds at which times the electric motor as a supercharger offers ABSOLUTELY NO ADVANTAGE.
Take notice that the Honda hybrid has only an 8 HP electric "boost".
#407 of 2363 Re: I still say..... [wwest]
Oct 02, 2004 (10:11 am)
"The RX400h product will be cancelled in favor of an RX230h."
That is an interesting take on the project. If they can overcome some of the manufacturing problems they will probably still bring out the RX400h. I talked to our Lexus dealer. I acted like I was interested in the RX400h. He told me that they have 70 people that have laid down $1000 to get on the list. He tried the same tactic the Toyota dealer in Hilo tried. He gave me the line that I would be better off with the RX330 than waiting a year or more to get a RX400h. I wonder how many people fall for their bait and switch sales tactics. I think I like the straight forward way Honda does business. Not that I am a big Honda or Toyota fan.
#408 of 2363 RX400h Launch Delay
Oct 02, 2004 (1:02 pm)
Doesn't make sense on the premise of battery supply alone. Why would Toyota announce doubling the production of Prius and not care about launching RX400h any time soon? Is Prius making more money for Toyota? I would have thought the Lexus would.
#409 of 2363 Re: RX400h Launch Delay [robertsmx]
Oct 02, 2004 (2:37 pm)
"Doesn't make sense on the premise of battery supply alone"
Well it kind of makes sense from two perspectives.
1. The RX400 battery is twice as large as the Prius. So they can build two Prius cars with the batteries of one RX400h.
2. The Prius goes a lot further in raising Toyota's CAFE standings. I don't think Toyota is worried about making money on the hybrids at this point.
If Lexus postpones the RX400h till 2006 as rumored, I think it will be a black eye on their credibility.
#410 of 2363 Re: RX400h Launch Delay [gagrice]
Oct 02, 2004 (2:45 pm)
To address the two points you brought up...
1. It would help Toyota to get "some" RX400h out from marketing point of view than to give all the allocation to Prius.
If it takes twice as many batteries in RX400h, if Prius production were to be upped by 25K, it would still leave room for production of 12.5K RX400h.
Also, does this mean Camry Hybrid isn't going to happen either?
2. Prius would help Toyota's car CAFE ratings (unnecessary since Honda and Toyota more than do well in that regard). RX400h would do the same to Toyota in light truck lineup though (where Toyota may need it more than it does in its car lineup).
#411 of 2363 Re: RX400h Launch Delay [robertsmx]
Oct 02, 2004 (2:57 pm)
(unnecessary since Honda and Toyota more than do well in that regard)
Are you sure of that? Honda does fine. Toyota has 2 of the 5 worst polluters on the road. Worse than the H2. I don't think you will see a hybrid Camry for at least a couple years. I don't think Lexus wants to exchange capacity in their RX330 plant to facilitate building the RX400h. They are probably making a killing on the RX330. It will take a bit to get the China factory for the Prius up to speed. I think they are not as organized as Honda. They have not managed to hit their initial delivery dates on any of the hybrids yet. And look how vague they are on the RX400h. Sometime next year is not a precise delivery date. If Honda delivers the HAH on December 3rd as they say it will show they have their act together better than Toyota.
#412 of 2363 Re: RX400h Launch Delay [gagrice]
Oct 02, 2004 (3:13 pm)
Thats exactly the point I made on CAFE. Toyota needs "light truck" more than a car for the purpose. Prius won't help in that regard, RX400h would.
That said, I just learned that MT is reporting the issue to be related to CVT (noise) issue although they mention that Lexus is spinning it as a capacity issue.
#413 of 2363 Re: RX400h Launch Delay [robertsmx]
Oct 02, 2004 (3:46 pm)
"Thats exactly the point I made on CAFE. Toyota needs "light truck" more than a car for the purpose"
I thought they just dumped all the vehicles in one pile and your overall emissions had to be a given average. I don't know a lot about CAFE regulations.
If there is a eCVT issue with the RX400h, WWEST may be right in his analysis of the whole HSD system. It works fine for Prius size vehicles and not much larger. They may have to re-think the hybrid business. Who knows maybe even get Honda to show them a few IMA pointers
#414 of 2363 Camry hybrid...
Oct 03, 2004 (10:13 am)
Given the much lesser weight of the Camry over the RX the I4 hybrid would be a MUCH better solution and fewer matters of scale to content with.
So we're more likely to see an I4 hybrid Camry long before an RX400h, if the latter even happens at all.