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#1865 of 2363 2006 Lexus RX 400h: The Hybrid Emperor's New Clothes
Aug 03, 2005 (10:05 am)
Here are a few snippets of a NYT article that appeared
in the July 31, 2005 edition of the publication.
For a full version, go to their web site.
2006 Lexus RX 400h: The Hybrid Emperor's New Clothes
One question lingers after driving the 2006 Lexus RX 400h:
How did it come to this, that Toyota is now selling a hybrid
gas-electric vehicle with no tangible fuel economy benefits?
In my test-driving, the Lexus hybrid, which is based on the
gasoline-only RX 330, did not achieve better mileage than the 2005 RX 330 that I
drove for comparison.
My hybrid tester's window sticker did boast a federal mileage rating of
31 miles per gallon in the city and 27 on the highway, compared with
just 18 and 24 for the RX without the hybrid drivetrain. But the
government's testing procedure has a habit - one that seems to be exaggerated
with hybrids - of rendering fuel economy numbers as relevant to the real
world as national energy policies have been to actually reducing
dependence on foreign oil.
The hybrid version of the Lexus sport utility wagon follows in the
tracks of the 2005 Honda Accord Hybrid by offering more horsepower than the
conventional version of the same vehicle....
. . .
The RX 400h's
failure to deliver, in my experience, even a nominal improvement in gas
mileage still seems like a sin of omission. It has been fundamental to
the understanding and acceptance of hybrids that they offer better fuel
economy than vehicles powered by conventional gasoline engines.
do not proclaim the righteousness of all things Toyota based on the
958,888 light trucks and S.U.V.'s that it sold in the United States last
year, fully 47 percent of its total sales. By comparison, only 53,991
Priuses were sold in 2004
I drove the 200 miles from Chicago to Grand Rapids, Mich..... By the time I returned to
Chicago, I had put 531 miles on the odometer and calculated my fuel
economy at 20.9 m.p.g.
(I) later tested another RX 400h for
a week. I drove this one 556 miles and did a bit better, averaging 23.0
I'll be charitable and call the gas mileage comparison between the
hybrids and the standard RX a draw, though there is a clear loser - anyone
who buys an RX 400h on the assumption that it will use appreciably less
fuel in a range of driving situations.
That it doesn't forces one to consider the RX 400h on its other merits,
of which there are precious few.
#1866 of 2363 Re: 2006 Lexus RX 400h: The Hybrid Emperor's New Clothes [c2rosa]
Aug 03, 2005 (10:33 am)
#1867 of 2363 Re: Proof, what proof? [dewey]
Aug 03, 2005 (11:13 am)
You make a great point but the NYT didn't have a problem with showing what they got on a relatively short amount of time, and you had no problem with that. For your information, I'm not going to post "the best mileage" , I'm going to post what I have on my current tank of gas which is very typical for what I have gotten over the life of the vehicle. If you know a way of showing what my car has gotten over it's 5,600+ miles I will be happy to do it, you would be surprised with the results. FYI, for someone that doesn't even own a Lexus, you certainly spend a lot of time trying to bash them.
#1868 of 2363 Re: Proof, what proof? [love2scuba]
Aug 03, 2005 (12:07 pm)
FYI, for someone that doesn't even own a Lexus, you certainly spend a lot of time trying to bash them.
There seems to be a very thin line between wanting valid facts(mpg since ownership) and bashing poor Lexus. Bashing Lexus was not my intention and I apologize if I offended any Lexus fans out there.
The most objective info would be from long term tests of the RH among auto mags and websites. Selectively picking one mpg gas tank reading is as valid as an investment manager only picking his good years of investment returns(1 good year and 10 lousy years)
#1869 of 2363 Re: Proof, what proof? [dewey]
Aug 03, 2005 (12:22 pm)
Thanks, but ever since your “RX400h is a BLOATED TURKEY” comment, it’s been hard to see that you were trying to be objective. I’m all for long term study, and I would be happy to start running a log of every tank. But it seems the Edmunds is already doing that with pretty positive results. It just seems that anyone can post “my MPG was ---”, but without some type of documentation I would be suspicious.
#1871 of 2363 Re: Proof, what proof? [love2scuba]
Aug 03, 2005 (12:40 pm)
but ever since your “RX400h is a BLOATED TURKEY” comment, it’s been hard to see that you were trying to be objective
The fact of the matter is you agree 100% with me about the objectivity of long term tests over short term tests. That was my point!
#1872 of 2363 Re: Proof, what proof? [dewey]
Aug 03, 2005 (12:53 pm)
I'm not being thin skinned, I just happen to be an owner, so I have a vested interest in the truth being told here. I've made my point and I'm glad we are both in agreement that final judgment should be made on a long-term study. Not on one road trip by the New York Times reporter with a very flawed review. I will post my mileage later and will not reset my computer and we will see what it reads over time. I think it will be very close to what Edmunds will report as their long term study continues.
#1874 of 2363 Re: Proof, what proof? [love2scuba]
Aug 03, 2005 (3:15 pm)
The reason he spends time here is because Bangle messed with his beloved Bimmer. It could also be Lexus envy? LOL