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Re: I want to buy a LANCER GTS 5 SPEED [blckislandguy] by mikefm58
May 23, 2009 (8:18 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (May 23, 2009 3:53 pm)

You know the quickest way to get a dealer sales guy to lose interest is to tell him that you want to order a car to your spec and that you are willing to wait. He knows that he can't make money from a guy like that. The sales guy can only thrive on the impulse buyers whose only car is now on the lift at an automatic transmission shop, whose kids are wailing away, and it is way past supper time.
 
Now why would you want to do something that would cause the sales guy to lose interest. In my past experience ordering to specs is very profitable for the sales guy. Granted, they don't make an immediate sale, but it's still big bucks for them. Any what's your point?
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Re: I want to buy a LANCER GTS 5 SPEED [blckislandguy] by jwilliams2
May 23, 2009 (8:59 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (May 23, 2009 3:53 pm)

Well, it depends. Some European imports do a big percentage of sales as ordered cars, especially when new models are released. So losing interest would be the wrong thing to do.
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Re: I want to buy a LANCER GTS 5 SPEED [blckislandguy] by joel0622
May 25, 2009 (6:48 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (May 23, 2009 3:53 pm)

I disagree 110%. Order units are great. They are like money in the bank for the next month.
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Re: I want to buy a LANCER GTS 5 SPEED [joel0622] by lilengineerboy
May 25, 2009 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: joel0622 (May 25, 2009 6:48 am)

I disagree 110%. Order units are great. They are like money in the bank for the next month.
 
Joel and other salesfolks,
Do you think that varies by region or dealership?
 
I get the sense that you and explorer and isellhondas and volvomax have been at the same dealer, well, since the earth cooled (smart a** comments aside, I think that is a good thing overall). Here in Michigan, I have noticed that is much more "normal" where the sales guy I bought my last car from was still there when I was looking for the next one, but in some places, things are more churn and burn. I think the turnover is so high at some of the dealers that the salesfolks don't want to do the orders because they don't know they will be there next month.
 
Do you see that as a possibility?
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Re: I want to buy a LANCER GTS 5 SPEED [lilengineerboy] by joel0622
May 25, 2009 (7:28 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (May 25, 2009 7:00 am)

I think that is a definite possibility. That also speaks volumes about the ownership/management at the store you are dealing with.
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How do you Price Older New Cars? by jkumpire24
May 25, 2009 (9:15 am)
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I don;t have a lot of cash but I am looking at a new car. I have never owned one, so even if I take a bath on depreciation, so what.
 
I have been looking around, and I still see some 2007 or 2008 new cars/never titled cars on lots (with 1 or 5 or 10 miles on them, so they are not dealer cars and the like). With the 2010 models about to come out, some of these new cars are now 2 or 3 years old.
 
How can I determine what a good price for these cars are to talk to a sales person? It seems to me that if a car is a 2008 new car, they want it gone. I am willing to look, but I want to get a lower price. But before I talk to them, I need to have an idea of what kind of deal the dealer will take to get their problem off the lot.
 
Thanks for your help!
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Re: How do you Price Older New Cars? [jkumpire24] by tidester HOST
May 25, 2009 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: jkumpire24 (May 25, 2009 9:15 am)

Check out our TMV new car prices, used car pricing, used car values at Edmunds. You will also find valuable information in our model specific "prices paid" forums.
 
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You Are overlooking something by jkumpire24
May 25, 2009 (5:48 pm)
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tidester,
 
The links you posted are okay, but not adequate. I've seen them and did research on them, but the kind of cars I am talking about are now old cars, never titled, but have been on a lot for years. Are they invoiced as new cars, used cars, or somewhere in between?
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Re: You Are overlooking something [jkumpire24] by tidester HOST
May 25, 2009 (7:59 pm)
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Replying to: jkumpire24 (May 25, 2009 5:48 pm)

Are they invoiced as new cars, used cars, or somewhere in between?
 
Never been titled? Have you looked at their odometers? That should give you some indication.
 
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Re: You Are overlooking something [tidester] by jkumpire24
May 26, 2009 (10:29 am)
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Replying to: tidester (May 25, 2009 7:59 pm)

Tidestar,
 
The cars I am discussing have not been titled, the one I saw with the highest mileage was 236 miles. My first thought was then,"ok invoice them as new cars." But how can you justify talking about a new car invoice price when the thing is 2+ years old? If they can't sell this 2008, or even 2007 model car that is new and untitled, do I really have to go in and discuss a price based on the 2008 or 2007 invoice price?
 
My first thought is that is at least 15 or 20% off the invoice immediately when I start talking turkey. And the price goes down from there. Is this off base? Or should I treat these older new cars pricing wise as used models? Usually all the better.
 
Thanks for the help, and folks please add you .02 here

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